From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Logo baseline Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 09:35:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87d0bejziy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a76kx3g2.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfq49vka.fsf@web.de> <87lfq3u1x6.fsf@gnu.org> <87wo9n4ju7.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="10894"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Andy Wingo , guile-devel@gnu.org To: Arne Babenhauserheide Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 20 09:36:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1itSXq-0002c3-F3 for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 09:36:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60122 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1itSXo-0003ZA-WE for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 03:36:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50199) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1itSXZ-0003XF-Ql for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 03:36:11 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47911) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1itSXX-0003Ne-5c; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 03:36:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=54484 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1itSXH-0000QV-Ts; Mon, 20 Jan 2020 03:36:05 -0500 X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 1 =?utf-8?Q?Pluvi=C3=B4se?= an 228 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87wo9n4ju7.fsf@web.de> (Arne Babenhauserheide's message of "Sun, 19 Jan 2020 15:11:28 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20313 Archived-At: Hello, Arne Babenhauserheide skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: >> Like I wrote, Guile remains an extension language, no argument here. >> >> However, describing it as =E2=80=9Cjust=E2=80=9D an extension language s= eems odd to me. >> It doesn=E2=80=99t take into account what many have been doing with Guil= e, and >> it doesn=E2=80=99t match the efforts that have gone into Guile since 2.0. > > I don=E2=80=99t think that it is described as "just" an extension languag= e. The > website makes it very clear that Guile is also a viable application > language. > > Where do you get the impression that Guile is described as "just" an > extension language? This thread is about the logo baseline, which is: =E2=80=9CGNU extension language=E2=80=9D. I agree that the web site is clearer; I=E2=80=99m just = talking about the logo here. >>> Actually I=E2=80=99d love to see Guile become better at this: to make i= t easier >>> to deploy an application that uses Guile in a statically compiled >>> binary. >>> >>> Basically to generalize what LilyPond is doing. >> >> In what ways could it become =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D for this use case? > > Currently the default way to embed assumes that Guile is provided as a > shared library. But that can be problematic when you want to ship a > binary people can test easily. I think this is no different for Guile than for any other piece of software: some would ship a Docker image, and I=E2=80=99d argue that you ca= n use =E2=80=98guix pack=E2=80=99 to generate a minimal standalone tarball or Doc= ker image. (Though I think it=E2=80=99s also perfectly doable to provide a binary that= =E2=80=99s statically-linked against libguile.) Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.