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This does not work. You often have to update dependencies for security reasons. Got a new gnutls or openssl or openssh with new cyphers you need to have a working program =E2=80=94 will Guile 3 get updated to support them or will you be f= orced to migrate to Guile 4 to keep your tool working? Do you want to create tools that people have to restrict to internal networks a decade from now (anyone else thinking of companies still bound to Windows XP?)? Or do you want Guile tools to build a reliable path into the future where we can consistently build upon existing work and actually stand on the shoulders of giants? If so, we must avoid repeatedly breaking the giants=E2=80=99 knees. 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