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two oh, two oh, two oh

[Andy Wingo]

Hello!

We've sorta fallen off the 2.0 wagon in recent months. Much of it is my
fault, I think -- I needed a break, and set off to hack apps, and am
just coming back now.

And to be honest, Guile has seen a *lot* of features going in recently,
and this is a wonderful thing. Wonderful, but it does push back on the
2.0 schedule -- features have to be documented, they take hacktime, etc.

So we should be happy with the recent hacks, and happy to have a
breather before bearing down on 2.0. Which is what we should do now, I
think.

Let me propose a draft to-do list and schedule. All of the to-do items
are on top of our normal bugfixing and such. Please reply with
additions, comments, or changes.

 * Blocker bugs for 2.0

   - See if objcode space can be reserved for native code -- Andy / Noah

   - The guile <-> unistring escaping issue -- ?

 * Would-be-nice things for 2.0

   - Merge in SoC work, finally (elisp, lua, peg parser) -- Andy

   - Test ecmascript - ?
     (For a long time it was broke at the REPL, due to a608cad27. Fixed
     now, I think, but needs completion :/)

   - Update website - ?

   - "Marketing" plan - ?

 * Schedule

   - 15 Dec -- 1.9.14. I think we need another (!) prerel to consolidate
     the changes since 1.9.13, and this will have been 2 months and
     probably 150 commits.

   - 15 Jan -- Branch for stable 2.0.x series, master becomes 2.1

   - 1 Feb 2011 -- Release 2.0.0

I'm just pulling numbers and dates out of a hat here, but we need some
common milestones to focus on to finally birth this baby.

Thoughts, concerns, commentary?

Happy hacking,

Andy
-- 
http://wingolog.org/

Re: two oh, two oh, two oh

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi!

Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:

> So we should be happy with the recent hacks, and happy to have a
> breather before bearing down on 2.0. Which is what we should do now, I
> think.

Agreed!

>  * Blocker bugs for 2.0
>
>    - See if objcode space can be reserved for native code -- Andy / Noah
>
>    - The guile <-> unistring escaping issue -- ?

I’ll start looking into it Real Soon Now, which doesn’t mean
contributions aren’t welcome.  ;-)

[...]

>    - Update website - ?
>
>    - "Marketing" plan - ?

Volunteers?  :-)

>    - 15 Dec -- 1.9.14. I think we need another (!) prerel to consolidate
>      the changes since 1.9.13, and this will have been 2 months and
>      probably 150 commits.

Agreed.

>    - 15 Jan -- Branch for stable 2.0.x series, master becomes 2.1

I just realized that the 17th would be more convenient for me, but we’ll
see.

>    - 1 Feb 2011 -- Release 2.0.0

Sounds good to me!

Thanks,
Ludo’.

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[Neil Jerram]

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Hi Andy...

On 7 December 2010 10:19, Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> wrote:

> We've sorta fallen off the 2.0 wagon in recent months. Much of it is my
> fault, I think -- I needed a break, and set off to hack apps, and am
> just coming back now.
>

My feeling is that it would be good to release 2.0 soon - but I totally
appreciate when people need a breather.


> Thoughts, concerns, commentary?
>

No concerns from me.  I'll continue focusing for now just on the manual.
When that's done, I'll see if there's any of the 2.0 tasks left that I could
help with.

            Neil

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Re: two oh, two oh, two oh

[Andy Wingo]

Hey list,

On Tue 07 Dec 2010 11:19, Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:

>  * Blocker bugs for 2.0
>
>    - See if objcode space can be reserved for native code -- Andy / Noah

I would still like to do this, for 1.9.15 if possible.

>    - The guile <-> unistring escaping issue -- ?

Ludovic is our hero!

>  * Would-be-nice things for 2.0
>
>    - Merge in SoC work, finally (elisp, lua, peg parser) -- Andy

I merged in elisp.  I don't want to merge in Lua until it implements all
of Lua; it's close but there are some multiple-value issues that still
need to be sorted.  I would like to merge the PEG parser soon too; but
there are some things about it that I would like to review first.

>    - Test ecmascript - ?
>      (For a long time it was broke at the REPL, due to a608cad27. Fixed
>      now, I think, but needs completion :/)

Thanks to all that 

>    - Update website - ?
>    - "Marketing" plan - ?

We could still use someone to do this -- to review the web site to see
if it actually expresses the message that we want to express, and to do
some PR.  I think Guile 2.0 is a good story, but the press basically
needs to be spoon-fed, I think...  Anyone want to take this one?  I seem
to recall Julian having an interest ;-)  And I think that Mike had some
opinions on this at one point, too...

>  * Schedule
>
>    - 15 Jan -- Branch for stable 2.0.x series, master becomes 2.1
>
>    - 1 Feb 2011 -- Release 2.0.0

Here we have changed, as mentioned: we will release another 1.9.15 on 2
February, and 2.0 on 16 February, if all goes well.

Ciao,

Andy
-- 
http://wingolog.org/

Re: two oh, two oh, two oh

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello!

Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:

> We could still use someone to do this -- to review the web site to see
> if it actually expresses the message that we want to express, and to do
> some PR.  I think Guile 2.0 is a good story, but the press basically
> needs to be spoon-fed, I think...  Anyone want to take this one?  I seem
> to recall Julian having an interest ;-)  And I think that Mike had some
> opinions on this at one point, too...

Likewise the aesthetics of the web site could be improved, so if
someone’s willing to work on it, don’t hesitate!

>>  * Schedule
>>
>>    - 15 Jan -- Branch for stable 2.0.x series, master becomes 2.1
>>
>>    - 1 Feb 2011 -- Release 2.0.0
>
> Here we have changed, as mentioned: we will release another 1.9.15 on 2
> February, and 2.0 on 16 February, if all goes well.

Yes!

We should create ‘branch_release-2-0’ once 1.9.15 is out.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

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[Andy Wingo]

On Thu 27 Jan 2011 20:58, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> We should create ‘branch_release-2-0’ once 1.9.15 is out.

Can we use some more sensible name?  "stable-2.0" or something?

Andy
-- 
http://wingolog.org/

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[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi!

Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:

> On Thu 27 Jan 2011 20:58, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
>
>> We should create ‘branch_release-2-0’ once 1.9.15 is out.
>
> Can we use some more sensible name?  "stable-2.0" or something?

I dislike the current convention but changing it could lead to confusion
and will break scripts, such as the sed script passed to
‘git-version-gen’ in ‘configure.ac’.

OTOH, this script can be adjusted as we see fit, and the branch naming
scheme can be documented on the web page.

So if there’s no objection, then OK for ‘stable-2.0’.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: two oh, two oh, two oh

[Julian Graham]

Hello!


> We could still use someone to do this -- to review the web site to see
> if it actually expresses the message that we want to express, and to do
> some PR.  I think Guile 2.0 is a good story, but the press basically
> needs to be spoon-fed, I think...  Anyone want to take this one?  I seem
> to recall Julian having an interest ;-)  And I think that Mike had some
> opinions on this at one point, too...

Sure, I'd be happy to review the copy on the site.

Additionally, when I spoke to Deborah Nicholson last summer about the
impending release, she connected me with an FSF newsletter contributor
to do an interview.  Now that the release is looking a bit more
imminent, would you like me to see if that person is still available
to talk to you or Ludovic?  She also suggested that we'd be able to
get some links from the www.fsf.org or www.gnu.org blogs to whatever
press materials we had.  (What do we have?)

LibrePlanet's presumably coming up soon (provided it takes place as
usual on the third weekend in March).  Is anyone planning to be around
for that?  A run-down of the new features in Guile 2.0 would make for
a good talk at that event.


Regards,
Julian

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[Andy Wingo]

Heya Julian,

On Fri 28 Jan 2011 21:09, Julian Graham <joolean@gmail.com> writes:

> Sure, I'd be happy to review the copy on the site.

Cool!

> Additionally, when I spoke to Deborah Nicholson last summer about the
> impending release, she connected me with an FSF newsletter contributor
> to do an interview.  Now that the release is looking a bit more
> imminent, would you like me to see if that person is still available
> to talk to you or Ludovic?

Sure, I'm available.  It would also be nice to get an interview with
Ludovic, if he wants, because I talk too much :P  

> She also suggested that we'd be able to
> get some links from the www.fsf.org or www.gnu.org blogs to whatever
> press materials we had.  (What do we have?)

I don't know of anything.  Want to make a "2.0 release" page?  It could
start with a summary, then list a number of important bullet points, and
much of the text could be culled from the news.  The audience would be a
programmer that could be interested in Guile, but not necessarily one
that knows Guile already.

Mike also had an article written that he was going to try to get to
LWN.net.  Guile 2.0 would make a great story for them.

Just some suggestions from the top of my head.  It seems that all I do
these days is make stuff up and send it to the list ;-)

> LibrePlanet's presumably coming up soon (provided it takes place as
> usual on the third weekend in March).  Is anyone planning to be around
> for that?  A run-down of the new features in Guile 2.0 would make for
> a good talk at that event.

I don't think I'm available, no.  Too much travel :/  However, you are
knowledgeable and local -- why not? :)

Cheers,

Andy
-- 
http://wingolog.org/

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[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello!

Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:

> On Fri 28 Jan 2011 21:09, Julian Graham <joolean@gmail.com> writes:

[...]

>> Additionally, when I spoke to Deborah Nicholson last summer about the
>> impending release, she connected me with an FSF newsletter contributor
>> to do an interview.  Now that the release is looking a bit more
>> imminent, would you like me to see if that person is still available
>> to talk to you or Ludovic?
>
> Sure, I'm available.  It would also be nice to get an interview with
> Ludovic, if he wants, because I talk too much :P  

Heh, the two of us?  Why not.  :-)

> Mike also had an article written that he was going to try to get to
> LWN.net.  Guile 2.0 would make a great story for them.

+1.

Thanks,
Ludo’.