From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: mikael@djurfeldt.com
Cc: guile-devel <guile-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Precedence for reader extensions
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:41:02 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a9r0gvld.fsf@tines.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA2Xvw+QsHP4jPNYW_GpnHsiRBKuojDW=1f=+AtC=JQVZ6NXLQ@mail.gmail.com> (Mikael Djurfeldt's message of "Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:14:03 +0100")
Mikael Djurfeldt <mikael@djurfeldt.com> writes:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> wrote:
>> Mikael Djurfeldt <mikael@djurfeldt.com> writes:
>>> I propose to simplify this to only two levels:
>>>
>>> 1. %read-hash-procedures
>>> 2. predefined syntax
>
> It turns out that the change I propose above was already implemented
> in read.c. The effect just wasn't visible due to a bug in flush_ws
> which caused all #! to be erroneously removed if they exist as the
> outermost expression.
I'm not sure that I consider this a bug. All of the tokens that
flush_ws removes can appear anywhere that whitespace is allowed, and are
considered whitespace to the caller (although reader directives may
modify the per-port reader options as a side-effect).
#;<expr> (sexp-comments)
#!fold-case (reader directives)
#! ... !# (shebang block comments)
#| ... |# (r6rs block comments)
> In the attached diff, I've fixed the flush_ws bug and cleaned up some
> garbage code in scm_read_sharp which was unreachable.
>
> Can I push this into the repository?
I'm uncomfortable with globally overriding standard read syntax. In a
large scheme system such as Guile, there are many modules that use
'read' and expect it to act in accordance with standard lexical
conventions.
Therefore, I'd prefer to limit 'read-hash-extend' to adding new syntax
that would otherwise have been considered an error. If you're going to
override standard read syntax, then I think it should only be done on a
per-port basis.
Therefore, I'd prefer a precedence closer to this:
1. (possibly) per-port variant of %read-hash-procedures
2. predefined syntax
3. %read-hash-procedures
>> I don't think this would be sufficient. The problem is that tokens of
>> the form "#!<symbol><delimiter>" have become standardized. To name a
>> few examples, both R6RS and R7RS define the reader directives
>> #!fold-case and #!no-fold-case, R6RS has #!r6rs, and SRFI-105 has
>> #!curly-infix. Guile also has #! ... !# block comments to help with the
>> handling of executable scripts.
>
> In what sense is it not sufficient? In any case: The present diff
> doesn't remove any functionality or make performance worse. It only
> removes some inconsistent behavior. At the same time it allows
> support for mit-scheme #!optional and #!rest.
The problem with this approach is that it does not compose. You want to
add #!optional and #!rest. R6RS added #!r6rs, #!fold-case, and
#!no-fold-case. SRFI-105 added #!curly-infix. But there can be only
one read-hash-procedure for #!, and it's global to the entire system.
That's why I suggested a way to add new tokens of the form
"#!<symbol><delimiter>". That way, you could add handlers for #!rest
and #!optional without interfering with the other #!<symbol><delimiter>
tokens.
What do you think?
Regards,
Mark
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-19 15:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-18 21:05 Precedence for reader extensions Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-18 21:07 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-18 21:26 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-18 21:42 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-18 23:33 ` Mark H Weaver
2013-02-19 10:14 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-19 15:41 ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2013-02-19 16:42 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-19 16:58 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-20 14:21 ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-02-22 2:52 ` Mark H Weaver
2013-02-22 9:36 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2013-02-22 15:45 ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-02-22 15:54 ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-02-19 23:51 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
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