From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark H Weaver Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <87a79y3lq3.fsf@netris.org> References: <87blugg7dt.fsf@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="235685"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Andy Wingo , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 18 03:08:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLGkT-000zBg-9g for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:08:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34508 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLGkR-000722-K0 for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:08:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50787) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLGkE-00071r-AL for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:07:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLGkD-0002ZA-11 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:37310) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLGkA-0002UV-5l; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:07:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLGk8-00013z-0y; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:07:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87blugg7dt.fsf@pobox.com> (Andy Wingo's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:14:06 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 64.112.178.59 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20097 Archived-At: Hello all, I just realized that I made a mistake, and my mistake has caused people to strongly condemn RMS for something that he did not actually do. RMS has not yet appointed me as a co-maintainer. To my knowledge, the only thing he has done so far is to *ask* me if I wanted to be appointed co-maintainer. I answered "yes", but I've not yet received any further messages from him on this topic. I also note that I'm not listed as a maintainer in the official list of maintainers. I misinterpreted RMS's question as an offer, and that was my mistake. The fault is mine, and mine alone. RMS should not be blamed for it. Mark Andy Wingo wrote: > Still, it was with surprise that I woke up this morning to a request > from Mark to re-join the Guile project on Savannah, saying that RMS had > appointed Mark to become co-maintainer, and that Mark assented -- "given > recent events". > > Now, Richard has no idea about Guile or how it works either technically > or socially, and has not consulted with me as Guile maintainer, nor to > my knowledge did he consult with Ludovic. "Thompson, David" wrote: > But now that I know that the truth is that RMS, as chief nuisance, put > Mark back into this role without the consent of either active Guile > co-maintainer, and without even telling them, I am extremely > disappointed and I do not approve. Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > I'm extremely saddened to see RMS pull this move. It seriously > undermines faith for maintainers of GNU projects that ther is any > semblance of fair governance, and that the rug can't be pulled out from > under their feet at any time.