From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Wingo Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: guile 3 update, halloween edition Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:20:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87a79gj38q.fsf@pobox.com> References: <87o8xyhtz6.fsf@pobox.com> <20191031000130.844639594617443947637347@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="198435"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Chris Vine Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 31 17:32:06 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDMj-000pN6-69 for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:32:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52386 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDMh-0002cB-1K for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37320) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDC0-0006uD-Rj for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDBy-0000fw-Nl for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:21:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fanzine.igalia.com ([178.60.130.6]:55919) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQDBy-0000d3-4E for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 12:20:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=igalia.com; s=20170329; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=XYX471p4R+4MnR3O7Jx4Sm6qY5MKBuTO1TNl3aQg3bE=; b=dXzVIFHypu10B5FGTLbSS6iNOkAv94LBeOIiiS0ple7bPMVr71RzuVF6fUGUxCaQlQYqU69LFcBqYAVCIEo96B0/4FlgHPwvHe7sExlBOVpjCJ9ScE07KH7K4EROr9tjkXP7cuuRrYVJYJjSHw6ty8jv+rS1Wuc7/0IBFTa2Si2L0RwM5vQKVHYooUJa7yn9hPUgwP4N1Zc5S8OlaZoybAZxXoZPI+1MEFMH8ARtRey03eYFm7nG6F2eNOrgRvZ08Cx31jB5Je0tctiamnXk4HMBzjLhmxLE8Tk3nxBstlty/nBw0W1RLDnd6mM+SfLFGDuxbsr0wlAiJj3KpYnq1w==; Original-Received: from lfbn-ann-1-100-21.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr ([86.220.73.21] helo=sparrow) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim) id 1iQDBu-0003OJ-HO; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:20:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20191031000130.844639594617443947637347@gmail.com> (Chris Vine's message of "Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:01:30 +0000") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 178.60.130.6 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20135 Archived-At: Greets :) On Thu 31 Oct 2019 01:01, Chris Vine writes: > "Condition" is a strange word for describing structured error objects, > I agree. However, I think it would be quite confusing to describe > error objects as exceptions. "Error object" or "error condition object" > seems a reasonable alternative if the bare word "condition" is thought > to be inappropriate. I'm very sympathetic to this argument -- an exception seems like a thing-in-motion, not a thing-at-rest. But perhaps it's just the effect of habit, setting up expectations about what good names are. (After all, plenty of people seem happy with the term "condition"!) Perhaps there is a middle ground of sorts: maybe the manual can comprehensively describe what R6RS refers to as conditions using the term "exception objects". WDYT? Andy