From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Sassmannshausen Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:26:32 +0200 Message-ID: <875zkm5rqv.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87blugg7dt.fsf@pobox.com> <871rvbp7h7.fsf@e6230.localdomain> Reply-To: alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="82869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 Cc: Andy Wingo To: guile-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 18 11:26:57 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOXA-000LQU-Tb for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:26:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36998 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOX9-0006DA-PX for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46052) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOWu-0006Cl-K5 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:26:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOWt-0004iZ-LB for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:26:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]:51332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOWr-0004hM-S2 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:26:39 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id 7so5427285wme.1 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:26:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:reply-to:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=OowmMbUAKVG9TeRQZeIPb0SjeoP46Bja6jXGnUiQPdQ=; b=agKUqH7hLJViy4p7Nbf0EVVl1SwpbZcYQLQAT358xEK7QPPGXQ4RhkPbgN1nrGMGpt zeB7FSJdh0jiUCxQEXNr3MIlNtV268rDVYFLkyglBWs6czvqtuRqnhhfNTljPTncYuvO KxfAofCDfodkDdEJn40SF8h1RA2Q1YPYD3wqmQvaS367P/JCrIGhLC3xqRVTkJAa64Do 24NZQE3f1VXmWmFNC+EtJOJjhCfUYXRrOPlmDqHOC94hPVT1cvM3BKSbpzRFMcleo71l wZDSWKzEYgmHeYNDozXCF/6hlAmswOe5RrilIMt0uAOgkQRXWsr664+D6u/T2o2lSQIP iKVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :reply-to:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=OowmMbUAKVG9TeRQZeIPb0SjeoP46Bja6jXGnUiQPdQ=; b=ZWHr4T6imRjlYH3RslCANEqPieVu4UUcSIjRwgUxi6o2H66kTojD1ta623RxqgMF1s uVoxCg4m0eWMyYL7cxHBy7YIsrh6TPzNAiAhfL/5EFJKUrSAGl+lSk7ti1jsEhulxxF2 XT0SZKnAKHA5fM1Rv45cIlPwlg5ZZ+4aZZhrmE3ii+AJJ/fKJ0GeXYKBn9+IwY8DPa8E 3B2UY0TXs2PYukVKIGtH+Rly5hK7+WyfCwFF8FT3hl/pqA9lwUoQGEwIYZ1r5lZUJn6P 81W76ZQ+Tm0JdtklRU0u6bOWZnZ8wfUtqhjC8RxTYq4A7U8MFLDXlM2nEyrBM0oCJv3+ 78Pw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUOhZt71yMY+MuFX+if4FdeuA5R3+udU9Xclz/JNkzz3fpVFAAP sjKAPp9KgHLu7yZ9BYd6aC/0jPG8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyqwyl1XR2xyYEERyf0TV8bizhxgekcmDvyplEW4r9SDE+As4N28HTYDIf9M5y8TK19hCsXow== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:770b:: with SMTP id t11mr2860988wmi.147.1571390795207; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from watership ([2a02:a03f:3f97:fa00:5580:8b13:1704:d2b4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y13sm8090938wrg.8.2019.10.18.02.26.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:26:34 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <871rvbp7h7.fsf@e6230.localdomain> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32c X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20104 Archived-At: Hi Mikhail, Mikhail Kryshen writes: > Andy, > > If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be > with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free > software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important platform for > your political activism? Is it about donations? Identity? Pride? > What is it so significant that it made you stoop to harassment and > defamation? Or could it be that you act purely on emotion under > influence of the widespread moral panic? Andy is doing what he believes is right, like so many other people in this debate. Let's focus on finding a way to maintain the amazing community around Guile and Guix, and to carry forward the spirit of GNU. Please don't impugn the character of others on this mailing list. Best wishes Alex