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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GNU Guile branch, stable-2.0, updated. v2.0.2-101-gd851e32
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:37:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874nzxpvqs.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8762kfy2h1.fsf@pobox.com> (Andy Wingo's message of "Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:20:26 +0200")

Hi,

Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> skribis:

> Regarding identity, `cons' needs to return objects with identity.  These
> expressions expressions are not the same:
>
>   (define f
>     (let ((pair (cons 1 2)))
>       (lambda ()
>         pair)))
>
>   (define f
>     (lambda ()
>       (cons 1 2)))
>
> Here we cannot propagate `pair' because then we would break (eq? (f)
> (f)).  It's a question of identity.

Right, good point.

[...]

> `car' is pure -- if its argument is
> indeed a pair, then it has no side effects -- but it is not constant.

OK, got it!

(Though I think that the term ‘constant’, as used by GCC, is confusing.
I don’t have a better name to propose, though.)

[...]

>>> Also, if I'm correct in guessing the reason for this change (accessing
>>> mutable memory), shouldn't the bytevector-*-ref operations go as well?
>>
>> No because they return an immutable object.
>
> I think we got this wrong, Ludo, and we should probably create some list
> of pure accessors for mutable data and put bytevector-*-ref in it, for
> the same reason given above for `h'.

Yes, agreed.

Thanks!

Ludo’.

PS: In that context, it must be quite a relief to work on a purely
    functional language...  :-)



  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-27 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1R78DA-0005aI-MY@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2011-09-24 18:37 ` GNU Guile branch, stable-2.0, updated. v2.0.2-101-gd851e32 Mark H Weaver
2011-09-25 20:34   ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-09-26 11:20     ` Andy Wingo
2011-09-27 20:37       ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2011-09-28  2:35         ` Noah Lavine
2011-09-28  9:25           ` Ludovic Courtès

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