From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel,gmane.comp.gnu.guix.devel Subject: Re: Guix as a Guile package manager Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 19:52:12 +0100 Message-ID: <874mema8mb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5690E261.8000704@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452365547 1027 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2016 18:52:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guix-devel , Fabio Pesari , guile-devel To: "Thompson\, David" Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 09 19:52:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aHyck-0000vW-5g for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 19:52:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42230 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHyci-00046d-Pl for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 13:52:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHycf-00046E-Gy for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 13:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHyca-0003EK-BK for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 13:52:21 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40843) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHyca-0003EF-8A; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 13:52:16 -0500 Original-Received: from reverse-83.fdn.fr ([80.67.176.83]:38254 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHycY-00057O-Ft; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 13:52:15 -0500 X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 20 =?utf-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 224 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x3D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (David Thompson's message of "Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:30:37 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:18118 gmane.comp.gnu.guix.devel:15051 Archived-At: "Thompson, David" skribis: > Many of us in the Guile community, including myself, are not very > interested in language-specific package managers because they are > problematic: > > - They put burden on the user to make sure the right toolchain is > available to build/install things (GCC and co.) > > - They cannot describe the full dependency graph for things that > aren't completely written in that language or use a foreign-function > interface (for example, a Guile library that talks to a C library > via the dynamic FFI, or one that uses the Guile C API) > > - They encourage new users to conflate the build system with the > package manager, leading to software that cannot be built without a > network connection and a specific package manager. Java software is > notorious for this, as are Ruby and Python to a lesser degree. > > That said, I see the desire to have a tool for easily sharing pure > Guile modules. To complement this, I would say that, despite these limitations, there=E2= =80=99s probably room for Guildhall because it addresses the needs of non-GNU/Linux users and GNU/Linux users who cannot run Guix for some reason. That said, we already have a number of Guile packages in Guix, and I would love to see more of them. The fact that Guix can make it easy to work not only with pure Scheme libraries but also with things like the Guile-GNOME stack makes it a very good option. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.