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From: Alex Sassmannshausen <alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com>
To: guile-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:44:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874l065qw6.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191016193005.rlxaqpwhtu46mebj@pelzflorian.localdomain>

Hello,

pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> writes:

> This is very sad.  I appreciate the enormous time investments of all
> of you for Guile.  When you make a decision, I hope you understand the
> other.
>
> Regards,
> Florian

Many incredibly thoughtful emails have been sent to the mailing list on
this subject, and I will struggle to communicate ideas any more clearly
than has been done so far.

I have enormous respect for the work that RMS carried to bring Free
Software, and indeed GNU, into the world.  It is possible to recognise
the great deeds of a person whilst realising they are flawed, like the
rest of us; or that they have also done less than desirable things.

It is possible to believe RMS has done great work, and to believe that
maybe he is not the right person to lead the FSF or GNU.  If you start a
movement, you must realise that at some point you might find yourself no
longer the leader of it.

I believe that if different people, over a long period of time, keep
expressing similar worries about a person, then we need to listen to
those people.

But all the above points are really only tangentially related to the
present conversation.  Here, we are concerned with the wonderful
community that exists right now around Guile and Guix.  And I want this
community to continue to exist, and grow and retain its momentum.

We are all responsible for the wonderful community we have here, and the
way that this debate has taken place on these lists, when compared to
others I have seen is testament to this.

As for the disagreements between the past and present maintainers, I
have enormous respect for all of you, and hope you can together come to
an agreement on how to proceed.  I do believe there is sufficient space
in our community for different perspectives.  We should always start
from a commitment to doing what's right and to ensuring our space is
welcoming to people from all walks of life.

Best wishes,

Alex



  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-18  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-16 13:14 conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Andy Wingo
2019-10-16 14:11 ` Thompson, David
2019-10-16 15:33   ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-10-16 16:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-19 17:05       ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-16 18:27     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-16 18:27   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-16 19:30   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-18  9:44     ` Alex Sassmannshausen [this message]
2019-10-16 18:12 ` Jean Louis
     [not found]   ` <CAGua6m3d_t2hd7P2ueTsPZytF7pNO7f8xptBWofPw9UvyYWDaw@mail.gmail.com>
2019-10-16 21:32     ` Fwd: " Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2019-10-16 21:56   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-10-16 22:05     ` Adrienne G. Thompson
2019-10-18  3:16       ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18  3:17     ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18 10:37       ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-10-16 19:21 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-16 21:03 ` Linus Björnstam
2019-10-17  0:18 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-10-17  1:24 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-17  7:07   ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2019-10-18  7:24     ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-19  7:51       ` Guile and Mes [WAS: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2019-10-19  8:56         ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-18 11:20     ` conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-10-18 13:14       ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-18 13:33         ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-10-18 13:49           ` Thompson, David
2019-10-17  1:40 ` Mike Gran
2019-10-17  2:11 ` Neil Van Dyke
2019-10-17 18:11 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-18  9:26   ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2019-10-19  4:03     ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-18  1:06 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-18  6:31   ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-18  9:20   ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-18 14:22   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-19 22:55 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-20  3:08   ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-20  3:54     ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-20 19:12     ` Taylan Kammer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-18 11:29 Todor Kondić
2019-10-18 15:09 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-18 11:45 Mark H Weaver

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