From: Mikhail Kryshen <mikhail@kryshen.net>
To: alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com, guile-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 07:03:21 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874l05bcvq.fsf@home.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875zkm5rqv.fsf@gmail.com>
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Alex Sassmannshausen <alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi Mikhail,
>
> Mikhail Kryshen <mikhail@kryshen.net> writes:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be
>> with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free
>> software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important platform for
>> your political activism? Is it about donations? Identity? Pride?
>> What is it so significant that it made you stoop to harassment and
>> defamation? Or could it be that you act purely on emotion under
>> influence of the widespread moral panic?
>
> Andy is doing what he believes is right, like so many other people in
> this debate. Let's focus on finding a way to maintain the amazing
> community around Guile and Guix, and to carry forward the spirit of GNU.
>
> Please don't impugn the character of others on this mailing list.
Sorry for that. I admit, I got angry. But I still have a point, so
let me distill it to the bare minimum of the following two
propositions:
1. Defamation is morally wrong and socially unacceptable.
2. A group of GNU maintainers participated in defamation or at least
endorsed it.
Andy's message contains defamatory allegations. The "joint statement"
(which is still present on guix.gnu.org) is vague, but its timing
implies strong relation to the recent defamatory media campaign, and the
signatories neither explained why they decided to do it now, nor
acknowledged it as a mistake.
Thus, I believe that the group of maintainers did a serious misconduct
which undermines trust in them and discredits the community.
And this has nothing to do with personality of RMS or his role in GNU.
Believing that RMS is bad for GNU is not an excuse for such actions.
--
Mikhail
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-19 4:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-16 13:14 conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Andy Wingo
2019-10-16 14:11 ` Thompson, David
2019-10-16 15:33 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-10-16 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-19 17:05 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-16 18:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-16 18:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-16 19:30 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-18 9:44 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2019-10-16 18:12 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <CAGua6m3d_t2hd7P2ueTsPZytF7pNO7f8xptBWofPw9UvyYWDaw@mail.gmail.com>
2019-10-16 21:32 ` Fwd: " Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2019-10-16 21:56 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-10-16 22:05 ` Adrienne G. Thompson
2019-10-18 3:16 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18 10:37 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-10-16 19:21 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-16 21:03 ` Linus Björnstam
2019-10-17 0:18 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-10-17 1:24 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-17 7:07 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2019-10-18 7:24 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-19 7:51 ` Guile and Mes [WAS: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2019-10-19 8:56 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-18 11:20 ` conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-10-18 13:14 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-18 13:33 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-10-18 13:49 ` Thompson, David
2019-10-17 1:40 ` Mike Gran
2019-10-17 2:11 ` Neil Van Dyke
2019-10-17 18:11 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-18 9:26 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2019-10-19 4:03 ` Mikhail Kryshen [this message]
2019-10-18 1:06 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-18 6:31 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-18 9:20 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-18 14:22 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-19 22:55 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-20 3:08 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-20 3:54 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-20 19:12 ` Taylan Kammer
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2019-10-18 11:29 Todor Kondić
2019-10-18 15:09 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-18 11:45 Mark H Weaver
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