From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Neil Jerram Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: git and changelogs Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:12:36 +0100 Message-ID: <873aonwabv.fsf@ossau.uklinux.net> References: <877ie3cd85.fsf@ossau.uklinux.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210623629 21325 80.91.229.12 (12 May 2008 20:20:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel To: Andy Wingo Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 12 22:21:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JveOw-00064y-26 for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:13:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43532 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JveOC-0003PC-S9 for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JveO7-0003OK-1C for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JveO4-0003Mi-CH for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56308 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JveO3-0003Mf-UC for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]:52280) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JveO3-0000hM-W8 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:44 -0400 Original-Received: from arudy (host81-129-100-189.range81-129.btcentralplus.com [81.129.100.189]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB9B1F670F; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:12:37 +0100 (BST) Original-Received: from laruns (laruns [192.168.0.10]) by arudy (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9D23800D; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:12:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: (Andy Wingo's message of "Mon, 12 May 2008 21:10:37 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:7238 Archived-At: Andy Wingo writes: > Hi Neil, > > On Sat 10 May 2008 00:41, Neil Jerram writes: > >> Andy Wingo writes: >> >>> Now that we've switched to git, hows about moving our changelogs to >>> ChangeLog.old, and just using commit logs? We can still generate >>> changelogs on release, if that's a desire. >> >> Do you mean that we would still have the same level of detail that we >> currently put in ChangeLog, but we would put that in the commit >> message instead? > > Yes, that's what I mean. Cool. >> I'm worried that there isn't AFAIK anything as nice as `C-x 4 a' for >> adding one detail of a change to a pending commit message. > > Ludovic mentioned emacs' git.el, which I'm unfamiliar with. I started using git.el, because I relied heavily on pcl-cvs with CVS, and git.el says that it's pcl-cvs for Git. But I found quickly that the Git command set is just so rich that I don't need it; now I just use Git commands in a shell. > I use the > great DVC. I wrote about it here: > > http://wingolog.org/archives/2008/03/11/using-newfangled-version-control-systems-from-emacs That looks just the job. > In short: there are excellent solutions. Unfortunately none of them are > bound to C-x 4 a. Fortunately C-x 4 a was always hard to type anyway. Harder than `t', I'll agree. Given this, I'm happy with your suggestion to retire ChangeLog. Perhaps you should add something to HACKING about this, though? Incidentally, I think I have to disagree with your: > As an aside, I think people that like git do so out of a kind of > software Stockholm syndrome: you have to learn so much about esoterics > like refs, the object database, the index, etc. that you end up > feeling empathy for git's idiosyncracies. Because objectively, git's > working tree index should not be a concept that occupies space in my > mind. Git for me was a sizeable hiccup, but I think I got over that pretty quickly, and now I'm loving it. As far as the index is concerned: I was bowled over by `git add -i', and I think that the concept of a staging area is needed to do that. If that's correct, I'm more than happy to have a few brain cells devoted to the Git index. Regards, Neil