From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Wingo Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Improve `seed->random-state' in stable-2.0? Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:55:49 +0100 Message-ID: <8739b6rbdm.fsf@pobox.com> References: <87d3afvyr6.fsf@netris.org> <87ipk6tof0.fsf@pobox.com> <878vl2w6ig.fsf@netris.org> <874nvqt8n0.fsf@pobox.com> <1327103164.6054.YahooMailNeo@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327312573 11375 80.91.229.12 (23 Jan 2012 09:56:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mark H Weaver , "guile-devel@gnu.org" To: Mike Gran Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 23 10:56:09 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RpGdB-0003Sl-UA for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:56:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47132 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RpGdB-0006r1-Ia for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:56:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43869) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RpGd5-0006qr-0N for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:56:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RpGd0-0006oI-0T for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:55:58 -0500 Original-Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com ([74.115.168.62]:58700 helo=sasl.smtp.pobox.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RpGcz-0006oE-UA for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:55:53 -0500 Original-Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BC97126; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:55:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=96MAXnmnEjNAsEkvo9q+1PLChQM=; b=oChFce EBSPQ+TOsUX+Ws8eg+mHKJPm2swPvP4eoMdqMOEpvkVC68ZzlscfyowloVlfgXLu /JihrQETYXKiVe6Govg3hU9Pl7usVk14Ps+ojxyd2ms0pZTLCAfGOpZhtdGGWzk1 4QTruCPbPBftsEWAriRm4cD5tdbPRwk3WjjjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=Xfy5A1vY9dKx466FiBfPx3P/xfyLQMBR gCqe6kYDxVKz0wNwR9ZB+taW38RnwHXeAetrsabhtaELUlA2QvrSwbArL62+t+LG Kn6cGx7kwByNAuRTDqciky8e8ecQX07gp0bvDskx+TTRApNKcecZ9qFSOm58+Lyb FPJiBzK4xFI= Original-Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD7A7125; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:55:53 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from badger (unknown [90.164.198.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0692F7124; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:55:52 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <1327103164.6054.YahooMailNeo@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Mike Gran's message of "Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:46:04 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 6FE2503C-45A8-11E1-AC50-65B1DE995924-02397024!a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 74.115.168.62 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:13635 Archived-At: On Sat 21 Jan 2012 00:46, Mike Gran writes: > (seed->random-state (current-time)) seems to be a common idiom that > you would end up breaking. This is a common idiom that is worth deprecating. Mark's new functions that seed the random state from /dev/urandom are much better. So no, no plans to break anything -- but we should help these people write better programs. Regards, Andy -- http://wingolog.org/