From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christine Lemmer-Webber Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Guile 3 and wip-elisp/Emacs Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:13:40 -0400 Message-ID: <871r5ti5k4.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <45-613b7600-3-2694eb00@100567081> <87zgskrybd.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31107"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.6.2; emacs 27.2 Cc: Gregg Sangster , guile-devel@gnu.org To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 13 04:16:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mPbW1-0007sb-AM for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 04:16:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47336 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mPbVz-0003aN-Cj for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mPbVo-0003aF-S9 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:16:00 -0400 Original-Received: from dustycloud.org ([50.116.34.160]:58576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mPbVm-0003Oz-Mw for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:16:00 -0400 Original-Received: from twig (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dustycloud.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DB7D2661B; Sun, 12 Sep 2021 22:15:56 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: <87zgskrybd.fsf@web.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=50.116.34.160; envelope-from=cwebber@dustycloud.org; helo=dustycloud.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20858 Archived-At: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > Hello Gregg, > "Gregg Sangster" writes: > >> I've rebased the wip-elisp branch on top of commit >> 449f50dd84a081aea16ef678e32bf37abe429ff6 (git describe: >> v3.0.4-64-g33232cb5c4). It's published here: >> >> https://git.sr.ht/~g20r/guile > > I=E2=80=99m not a Guile core developer, but I think that this is awesome! > >> My question is if this is worthwhile work? I don't have much time to >> spend on it but am happy to keep hacking away if there's still >> upstream interest. > > I think that there is upstream interest in Guile to improve the elisp > implementation, but I=E2=80=99m not sure about Emacs. They added improvem= ents to > elisp that also provide better performance and they keep improving their > elisp implementation. I would personally think it would be good if we could get the wip-elisp branch merged. It would be good not to bitrot. It seems more likely to survive if it gets included in emacs proper. > That said: Tools like fibers would be great to have in Emacs. > > The workload to finish this is considerable, though: IIRC You=E2=80=99ll = need to > solve some deeper problems that prevent Guile Emacs from using > byte-compiled files (that=E2=80=99s why it currently has a very high star= tup > time). > > That said, there is a guile-emacs package in guix, and Guile 3.0.7 is > much faster than Guile 2. Yes, to complete *guile-emacs*... that will be a lot of work. But it will be less work if guile's elisp branch is no longer this separate thing that isn't kept up to date with the rest of guile. More likely that someone could finish and pick it up. > (please someone correct me if I=E2=80=99m wrong!) > > Best wishes, > Arne