From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Dijkstra's Methodology for Secure Systems Development Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:16:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83ha02zb26.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y4tetq7q.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411219052 21424 80.91.229.3 (20 Sep 2014 13:17:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ian.a.n.grant@googlemail.com, guile-devel@gnu.org To: Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 20 15:17:25 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XVKXV-0006Lt-4n for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:17:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34584 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVKXU-0003Xn-LU for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:17:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVKXK-0003X0-JP for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVKXF-0003JJ-Ap for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:17:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:47616) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVKXF-00039k-2E for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:17:09 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NC700500BH5FH00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:17:02 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NC70059YBKEEX10@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:17:02 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87y4tetq7q.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17497 Archived-At: > From: Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer > Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:46:01 +0200 > Cc: Ian Grant , guile-devel > > If there are some people accessing my files, why should I feel > > unfomfortable with that? Why can't I trust that someome with such > > great power isn't going to be mean and evil? > > I always like to say, "there are no James Bond villains on Earth." The > Hollywood trope of a sociopathic villain who's consciously evil for the > sake of it is a big distraction from the fact that groups like the Nazi > party or people like Joseph Stalin have in fact existed and came into > positions of power in our very real world. And they didn't feel they > were evil; they genuinely believed they were doing the right thing. How > long has it been since such a "scandal" of humanity last happened? Is > it really thoroughly implausible that it would happen again? Has it > even really stopped happening entirely, or is one of the most powerful > countries on the world supporting (even if indirectly) the bombardment > of civilians and the torture of captives in the Middle East right now? Evil is not about right and wrong. Evil is about moral and immoral, lawful and unlawful. If you don't understand the fundamental difference between those categories, perhaps you should refrain from talking about Hitler, Stalin, and bombardment of civilians. Certainly here, where you yourself admitted this is OT.