From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Gran Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: User perception on backward compatibility Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:09:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <77066.87604.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <87y6jrzq10.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264086601 27144 80.91.229.12 (21 Jan 2010 15:10:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:10:01 +0000 (UTC) To: =?utf-8?B?THVkb3ZpYyBDb3VydMOocw==?= , guile-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 21 16:09:53 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NXyfR-0000wj-9r for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:09:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43896 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NXyfS-0000Ov-7f for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:09:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NXyfL-0000OS-IC for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:09:47 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NXyfG-0000Ln-1t for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:09:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40176 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NXyfF-0000Lj-SP for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:09:41 -0500 Original-Received: from web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.91.170]:33533) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NXyfF-0006uu-Cw for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:09:41 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 87772 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2010 15:09:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1264086579; bh=81XpQPTi2cq4gNiNCsyfz61PmfXopWBl1P39FwpkArw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I5M+bORFmtA4uLBfyJHyopSFy20hew1YtlhalGT75rR6lSq2GPwOyZuvKk+uOMkRpJAmAqf65yNJmDnXBZLf2iOJjUoLc+nT0WWzo+ZTeThV/enjQkV9/1uGZ5JOc6CmfMXzcVJoFDNpv2XnSx6fxBdoJBV7pZ5q/sK1tDhXyGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gB8UqLF52rg2yTeCAC9Ism8QsgG23YDRMqQAKnTA6u9UNt5T8IiKVRypHBJszw02Wit3jAcX8KEB250jtFj12Da5+gKIEoGEofwfjBlDHy1dNxCS02PXZ7k9UIbPZz4NT+D3oTRpTOxA5zsE4sCwrUJXM4VQTUG5dYBlofFbS64=; X-YMail-OSG: b97fp80VM1mM255Fyvd_CXcDGOCrt.k2jsQEAG3dF7YGAFQkAJXP1Tq1xa5cCnVx5yLK0okvmFo3uOE0b5g6Cc_qayShHtVwu4d89UBRUFlS7PY0hIBD30QhSFF5MHY1qJIjaKIxuNaR6tFrd.EU5eyKyi7rNAzGJMqy0bkkAlf69on8FU6mSvf4Ik_0Hz9jHD55yV_02TZz9NyzgFsmAdikUGlpZ4xbMVPV.N3WIP2osXmisehBAenHQ4sveOG.kbW0bTLVWr5GlWyCoohFoagpXnVzQCKofhtqjRBMYGgJVaGZQOuv2ZcWjDyt4vgi71QdRiR___fVKVw1IjOB3bMTJIeDGqAZrH.Elw9hCudI0B091vsmAeIK_ZXDSpBKkafa5tYABHQKcJqkqKm52LTzOZ2YC1Ah6lTz_ly.tEV1hiup9nApc6H1T9xTUg-- Original-Received: from [71.140.103.222] by web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:09:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 In-Reply-To: <87y6jrzq10.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:9905 Archived-At: > From: Ludovic Court=C3=A8s =0A=0A> =0A> Hello!=0A> =0A> I t= hink the next big task will be to list and try to reduce=0A> incompatibilit= ies compared to 1.8.=0A> =0A> For the record, here=E2=80=99s what I found i= n GNU Dico; it=E2=80=99s interesting to see=0A> how its maintainer feels ab= out backward compatibility in Guile:=0A> =0A> http://mail.gnu.org.ua/arch= ives/html/public/bug-dico/threads.html#00000=0A=0AGuile's API has always fa= irly incompatibly from revision to =0Arevision. Each rev always requires a= significant rewrite of the glue=0Acode in Guile-using projects.=0A=0AJust = in the time that I've been using Guile, I've used four different =0Afunctio= ns to convert an integer into a guile number: gh_int2scm, =0ASCM_MAKINUM, s= cm_int2num, scm_from_int.=0A=0AA lot of projects have their own Guile compa= tibility layers to map=0Acurrent practice to a consistent API: AutoGen, Ged= a, even Gucu.=0A=0AMaybe we need a gnulib-like project for guile ;-)=0A=0AS= o, yeah, reducing incompatibilities might be nice.=0A=0AThanks,=0AMike=0A