From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Neil Jerram" Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Avoid `SCM_VALIDATE_LIST ()' Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:04:44 +0200 Message-ID: <49dd78620809070804j6767290fo972ec215ff925961@mail.gmail.com> References: <87hc90u9lb.fsf@gnu.org> <49dd78620809011409w8902d24q5734da921d6dfbff@mail.gmail.com> <87bpz7h72h.fsf@gnu.org> <66e540fe0809061611m12f14e8lea685871c7f1e8cd@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220799920 1439 80.91.229.12 (7 Sep 2008 15:05:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: hanwen@xs4all.nl Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 07 17:06:16 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KcLq9-0003Ml-SR for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:06:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53643 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KcLp9-0002Rv-US for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:05:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KcLom-0002Om-Ev for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:04:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KcLok-0002OZ-Et for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:04:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38443 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KcLok-0002OW-8N for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:04:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.244]:51802) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KcLoj-0007Hy-SQ for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:04:46 -0400 Original-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1126565rvb.6 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:04:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=afkZtcDbUGDHSnDMc/HYcxI9uPF4iGmKvyBT3abaawQ=; b=Q5QsS0s4LExCILkphWmPDgxBgNRhEyNlyPTNSAy8L6CTID9oxmYUIZVoynnRNn2id2 PqpenZEdKD83rYNYnjntrhxe2b9jawAaDeIJOGfkdzdH3/UGRlNwxc0SdcYarUkBG4Hs XSUJhSieBE8gVKUCKWYr/usnYcAb4ItGU2hIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BVpGjdX3sGksnkLUgmO1YtkebMWPVTrMY6K/Zb4gh/HKGGSWDuS5C6T8WKX48p40yY kJeygKmgM+PyP6lS0+VYEdxk7ytsE11FvCykIMPIvFaV8OPZY649rkmZNfTABivAuDwE r/2SNBdVJUCREIMu+BDpoWaR0s8i0pDDlnYzw= Original-Received: by 10.141.48.10 with SMTP id a10mr8162056rvk.4.1220799884905; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.141.177.4 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:04:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:7609 Archived-At: 2008/9/7 Han-Wen Nienhuys : > > I am participating in GUILE since it is a foundation of LilyPond. As > far as I am concerned, it should be fast, bug-free, standards-compliant > and should not have any code that is so complex that it will bitrot when > its developer takes off. Agreed - modulo that sometimes complexity is useful/needed, and in such situations it can be made acceptable by sufficient commenting. > That is why I am bothered by the half-working elisp support: my > impression is that is not really used, so once Neil stops doing his > job, GUILE will be left with a bunch of weird code that noone knows > how to deal with. I don't think the elisp support is complex, but I've made a note to review it and add comments where that would be useful. > All this also makes me wonder why there are no Gnucash developers > here, since I recall they actually do use GUILE for a lot of stuff. I'm afraid to say that I believe they are moving away from Guile. I think their reasons are different, though: the (perceived) complexity of the g-wrap workflow, and new core developers not liking Scheme as a language. Regards, Neil