From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Gregg Sangster" Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: =?utf-8?q?Re=3A?= Guile 3 and wip-elisp/Emacs Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:01:33 +0200 Message-ID: <47-61683800-21-6332ae00@62794253> References: <871r5ti5k4.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11775"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: SOGoMail 5.2.0 Cc: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" , guile-devel@gnu.org To: "Christine Lemmer-Webber" Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 14 16:02:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1JV-0002nz-FT for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:02:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55180 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1JU-0005W9-8V for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:02:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44934) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1Ip-0005Vl-53 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:01:51 -0400 Original-Received: from sngstr.ca ([159.69.206.127]:34294 helo=mail.sngstr.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mb1Ij-0002Ie-0E for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:01:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Mailerdaemon) with ESMTPA id 5978D3F27B; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:01:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thesangsters.ca; s=dkim; t=1634220094; h=from:subject:date:message-id:to:cc:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; bh=yGswc7skVWwpus3YzPY/LAzZlOGkR2nDoNizdYD7RbM=; b=suMNUJ8y+4SQARrhDzbwYqcO/gR4e93EIhJaFMzPRat/6dZGrI10evqPcsGmhUjQSjameX wRCCpm5k9tcAL1Z8ZgkbKHy80qxhNwIFfr2m8+6uJ/HXfjCNRVyU+7nNIJoqOCLQZ8UrO1 eLUeL096YoRlg/+DbLEBH8kzxdNa/TM= In-Reply-To: <871r5ti5k4.fsf@dustycloud.org> X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: None Received-SPF: pass client-ip=159.69.206.127; envelope-from=gregg@thesangsters.ca; helo=mail.sngstr.ca X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20914 Archived-At: Hello, I have wip-elisp rebased all the way up to main as of a few days ago (e= 60469c8b6936575c079faaffa40a340e1d49f3c) plus two changes from Ricardo.= It's available here: https://git.sr.ht/~g20r/guile There is one test failure in "make check" on test-out-of-memory. I hav= en't investigated it yet but I get the same failure on main. If that's= not an expected failure, it might be a problem with my environment. There is also an emacs repo here: https://git.sr.ht/~g20r/emacs which uses the 3.0-based wip-elisp. It builds and runs but segfaults e= asily. I've started rebasing it on a more current emacs. Those change= s aren't published yet. I haven't been able to get the guile-emacs package in guix working. Th= e build gets stuck at collecting/processing OKURI-NASI entries after a = few hours. For comparison, the 3.0-based guile-emacs builds in about 2= 0 minutes on my machine. If anyone has that running, it would be nice = to have a comparison of the build/run speed. On Sunday, September 12, 2021 22:13 EDT, Christine Lemmer-Webber wrote: > "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > > > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > > Hello Gregg, > > "Gregg Sangster" writes: > > > >> I've rebased the wip-elisp branch on top of commit > >> 449f50dd84a081aea16ef678e32bf37abe429ff6 (git describe: > >> v3.0.4-64-g33232cb5c4). It's published here: > >> > >> https://git.sr.ht/~g20r/guile > > > > I=E2=80=99m not a Guile core developer, but I think that this is aw= esome! > > > >> My question is if this is worthwhile work? I don't have much time= to > >> spend on it but am happy to keep hacking away if there's still > >> upstream interest. > > > > I think that there is upstream interest in Guile to improve the eli= sp > > implementation, but I=E2=80=99m not sure about Emacs. They added im= provements to > > elisp that also provide better performance and they keep improving = their > > elisp implementation. > > I would personally think it would be good if we could get the wip-eli= sp > branch merged. It would be good not to bitrot. It seems more likely= to > survive if it gets included in emacs proper. > > > That said: Tools like fibers would be great to have in Emacs. > > > > The workload to finish this is considerable, though: IIRC You=E2=80= =99ll need to > > solve some deeper problems that prevent Guile Emacs from using > > byte-compiled files (that=E2=80=99s why it currently has a very hig= h startup > > time). > > > > That said, there is a guile-emacs package in guix, and Guile 3.0.7 = is > > much faster than Guile 2. > > Yes, to complete *guile-emacs*... that will be a lot of work. But it= > will be less work if guile's elisp branch is no longer this separate > thing that isn't kept up to date with the rest of guile. More likely= > that someone could finish and pick it up. > > > (please someone correct me if I=E2=80=99m wrong!) > > > > Best wishes, > > Arne >