From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mike Gran Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: RFC: (ice-9 sandbox) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <394855873.1175597.1490971274369@mail.yahoo.com> References: <87r31daj8n.fsf@pobox.com> Reply-To: Mike Gran NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1490971302 22748 195.159.176.226 (31 Mar 2017 14:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:41:42 +0000 (UTC) To: Andy Wingo , "guile-devel@gnu.org" Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 31 16:41:37 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ctxjy-0004gD-Us for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:41:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41392 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctxk3-0008DX-57 for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:41:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36766) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctxjy-0008DS-9y for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:41:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctxju-0001hE-54 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:41:26 -0400 Original-Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.60]:53091) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ctxjt-0001gX-VV for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:41:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1490971279; bh=rsVi4F469PBBrcup3QnbKiqTjoaD4BVFHELvEdn9mfs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=h96rAZas3KPXIgylG++dEkwdMp/Pm3PLOjkHZn6Gn7DzsEpbHfS30N82grBS1JkiYxqPGX/n6ByrwyBEVGaJOvi854m+gMiLXqdwZQMivya+KAGwOGAzvxYv/3iLfPgXB6yxejAZJnlMlLt0nxPsvsiXcIH/Mx+e8xX0mjgngxwa8UWziXx7tZw/Ypf67pHvZsRhhiMASlI9a7RfUIMLlSDz5l2/hD1bPtOTbeoBn97sTpBsFr1/HkjetO/EajRGjCTLJ+y8P6WtPgXJiEmX/CcfJ7nPeNt+ukvE1U60ycz5t7MmlbogTnhDwtYIMHQEg6O0d3lrYDxCPNXD49MD8A== Original-Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2017 14:41:19 -0000 Original-Received: from [98.138.89.165] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2017 14:41:19 -0000 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2017 14:41:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 377616.52009.bm@omp1021.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: Rv2buHEVM1mv9N40ZlAKBScGm9ILcUz0pXMEp5xPSgwkDeXAC3ihO3a1.gUFZ_P IZlJ_RAyVrRyc2wISRZ3GY1TCiEo.RvoNStjPxA56_lQljg2XG4uo2f8EDCcY.Dy_Gkl3lHgFm.u FqHUJ3Ql19rGDvdC.K_78Shbz40tIUyCdTswcCN4xYD5MIKrHUzIZy1li32dlKKhkjxjn3dD3Wme Eek21htw0CVCV7bVruXRHQq92Gt1rlW5xsIEPlSaN5GDbGbKkTql_PyltQWrZxC.AUX0rqqY_xee u3JNU1qDydaeDJmLRbsAwvLgFPnAzw2lywl7uPCAWDxGhzoR22dItTvh.vvOzzCU_JYXrNHt4TAJ Yf4wvRySuHlRq22.OTKQt4hqtN.ZKfDaj8VyyCJ23Uec9Bkaq6MH9eJPYcrx2oW8OTmHqps3IwQr Jw4NxkHpVfH8n8UTXCiM5ThVAorZSK4CcSZnwshTMAiQfv6qAZ6FURCLW1LbzbQnCfcVdNPSLUgD oy_z.9dA1ETOJoEX2iQ2e84aaBx7pPtrVE05II0HvKUUAdj2Vzse4saKkAgV13g-- Original-Received: from jws200190.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws129.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:41:19 +0000; 1490971279.025 In-Reply-To: <87r31daj8n.fsf@pobox.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.9272 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/51.0.2704.79 Safari/537.36 Edge/14.14393 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 98.138.91.60 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:19078 Archived-At: ?> On Friday, March 31, 2017 2:28 AM, Andy Wingo wrote: > Any thoughts? I would like something like this for a web service that > has to evaluate untrusted code. Neat! Here are some random, tangential ideas. While this might be a good route toward a pragmatic definition of "safe," a route to a stronger version of safety might be trying to compile a Guile against the CloudABI C library -- which prevents OS interaction altogether -- and then use something like inetd to to communicate with your safe guile. As a middle ground, there are the --disable-posix, --disable-networking, and --disable-regex options, to consider. -Mike Gran