Re: Name of the standard library

[MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me>]

Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide kirjoitti 20.7.2024 klo 17.52:
> Lassi Kortela <lassi@lassi.io> writes:
>
>>> It would be easy to state in more places "the standard library of guile
>>> is called ice-9 (see [history])".
>> With no disrespect intended -- I understand it's a joke that was funny
>> at one time -- "the standard library of Guile is called ice-9" sounds
>> like "the unit of mass is called footballs". If so, why would a smart
>> newbie learn more?
> I did.
>
> Did you not?
>
> (I know that this is a paradoxical question; I’m pointing to it, because
> *we actually do not know*, so maybe we should refrain from discussing
> the hypothetical smart newbie when all of us who are here would by
> definition not match that description)
>
> I actually liked that name — and still like it. Keep in mind that being
> professional quality doesn’t require being teflon-proof naming. Python
> includes `import this` and `import antigravity`. Because exposing ones
> humanity isn’t a problem.

Just a note here, I am that newbie :)

And guile is much easier than whatever inside joke "ice-9" is.

And no I don't need to "prove" myself by going through learning whatever 
ice-9 is.

We should make it easier to learn guile over time. I strongly disagree 
forcing newbies to go through the same things we did just to make a point.


Regards,

MSavoritias

>
> But on the topic of (guile ...) as name: I’m not sure whether (guile
> ...) is better. Because what then is (language ...)? What are (oop ...)
> (sxml ...) and (web ...)?
>
> Should all of these move into (guile ...)? Or should we provide the
> modules without prefix? What should then actually move into (guile ...)?
>
>
> I didn’t think of these before, because I didn’t start by looking at
> existing code tree. Which was a mistake. These make it more dubious for
> me whether a (guile ...) prefix is a good idea at all. Just aliasing
> ice-9 would give the false impression that (web ...) and (language ...)
> aren’t guile.
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Arne