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From: <dsmich@roadrunner.com>
To: guile-devel <guile-devel@gnu.org>, Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: thinking out loud: wip-rtl, ELF, pages, and mmap
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:20:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130424222027.7PBZE.76491.root@cdptpa-web09-z01> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874nevhe4a.fsf@pobox.com>

---- Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> wrote: 

...

> Then I realized: why am I doing all of this if the kernel has a virtual
> memory system already that does all this for me?
> 
> So I have a new plan, I think.  I'll change the linker to always emit
> sections and segments that correspond exactly in their on-disk layout
> and in their in-memory layout.  (In ELF terms: segments are contiguous,
> with p_memsz == p_filesz.)  I'll put commonly needed things at the
> beginning, and debugging info and the section table at the end.  Then
> I'll just map the whole thing with PROT_READ, and set PROT_WRITE on
> those page-aligned segments that need it.  (Obviously in the future,
> PROT_EXEC as well.)
> 
> Then I'll just record a list of ELF objects that have been loaded.
> Simple bisection will map IP -> ELF, and from there we have the section
> table in memory (lazily paged in by the virtual memory system) and can
> find the symtab and other debug info.
> 
> So that's the plan.  It's a significant change, and I wondered if folks
> had some experience or reactions.
> 
> Note that we have a read()-based fallback if mmap is not available.
> This strategy also makes the read-based fallback easier.
> 
> Thoughts?

Sounds like a great idea!  I think it's good to use the facilities
that already exist instead of reinventing the wheel.

A thought was that this would artificially bloat the size of the process
when the extra info isn't being used.  But so what?  The *real* memory
won't be consumed.  And it's not like we are running out of addressable
memory space anyway.  It will be a bit ickier for systems without
virtual memory.

What about non-ELF systems?  You are using your own ELF reader and mmap, not
relying on the system to load the files right?  So that's not an issue?

-Dale




  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-24 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-24 20:23 thinking out loud: wip-rtl, ELF, pages, and mmap Andy Wingo
2013-04-24 22:20 ` dsmich [this message]
2013-04-28 12:45 ` Andy Wingo
2013-04-28 15:23 ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-04-29  5:47 ` Nala Ginrut

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