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From: "Chris K. Jester-Young" <cky944@gmail.com>
To: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Mutable top-level bindings (was: vectors are something else)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:29:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130417152753.GA13533@lotus.destinee.acro.gen.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87haj72q08.fsf@tines.lan>

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:00:55PM -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote:
> Unfortunately, this is rarely possible in a language like Scheme, where
> calls to procedures bound by mutable top-level variables are frequent.
> We cannot fix this without making most commonly-used top-level bindings
> immutable.  Last I checked, there was strong resistance to this idea.

Maybe it's time to reopen this (and hope it's not a can of worms). :-)

With a proper module system, I don't see why top-level bindings should
be mutable. That would make even things like direct inlining of cons or
+ somewhat harder than it needs to be. The way I understand it, the
definition of (@ (guile) cons) or the like should not be subject to
change at runtime. If people want to change the behaviour of cons, write
a module that replaces the top-level binding.

Yes, this does disable the ability to perform monkey-patching. I don't
see this as a big loss, but perhaps there are legitimate use cases for
monkey-patching that I haven't thought of.

Another thing we will need to provide is define-values, which allows you
to make top-level bindings that are mutually-recursive. By which I mean:

    (define-values (foo bar baz)
      (letrec ((foo ...)
               (bar ...)
               (baz ...))
        (values foo bar baz)))

This would obviate the need to use the following pattern:

    (define foo #f)
    (define bar #f)
    (define baz #f)
    (letrec ((my-foo ...)
             (my-bar ...)
             (my-baz ...))
      (set! foo my-foo)
      (set! bar my-bar)
      (set! baz my-baz))

Granted, there are existing modules that use that approach currently, as
we don't currently have define-values. But I think it should be possible
to annotate individual modules as having immutable top-level bindings,
so that we can gradually migrate modules to the define-values style.

Cheers,
Chris.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-17 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.1288755.1365813667.854.guile-devel@gnu.org>
2013-04-15 11:29 ` vectors are something else Daniel Llorens
2013-04-15 12:28   ` Daniel Hartwig
2013-04-15 14:08     ` Daniel Llorens
2013-04-15 14:17       ` Daniel Hartwig
2013-04-15 14:10     ` vector types poll Daniel Llorens
2013-04-15 22:47       ` Daniel Hartwig
2013-04-16  0:16         ` Daniel Llorens
2013-04-16  2:00   ` vectors are something else Mark H Weaver
2013-04-16  4:10     ` Daniel Llorens
2013-04-16  6:19       ` Mark H Weaver
2013-04-16  8:31         ` Daniel Llorens
2013-04-17 15:29     ` Chris K. Jester-Young [this message]
2013-04-17 17:53       ` Mutable top-level bindings Mark H Weaver
2013-04-17 20:25       ` Ian Price
2013-04-20 14:00       ` Ludovic Courtès

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