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From: Matthew Flatt <mflatt-sDh8Nw2yj/+Vc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>
To: Eli Barzilay <eli-oSK4jVRJLyZg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "dev-GvBox1K3Ixw1Q5oZIJT9Xw@public.gmane.org"
	<dev-GvBox1K3Ixw1Q5oZIJT9Xw@public.gmane.org>,
	"Ludovic Courtès" <ludo-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	guile-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Enhancement to the syntax system?
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:03:14 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120710150315.B7B27650059@mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20476.16781.257276.194149-a5nvgYPMCZcx/1z6v04GWfZ8FUJU4vz8@public.gmane.org>

At Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:51:57 -0400, Eli Barzilay wrote:
> 20 minutes ago, Marijn wrote:
> > 
> > It seems to me that both these results cannot be correct
> > simultaneously, but I'll await the experts' opinion on that.
> 
> This does look weird:
> 
>   #lang racket
>   (define-for-syntax (f stx) #`(let ([x 1]) #,stx))
>   (define-syntax (m stx)
>     (with-syntax ([zz (f #'x)]) #`(let ([x 2]) zz)))
>   (m)
> 
> evaluates to 1, but if I change the first two "stx" names into "x"
> *or* if I change the argument name for the macro to "x", then it
> returns 2.

It's natural --- but not correct --- to think that #` is responsible
for hygiene, in which case `(f #'x)' should keep the given `x' separate
from the `let'-bound `x' in the result.

Instead, hygiene is the responsibility of macro invocation, and

 #`(let ([x 1]) #,#'x)

is simply the same as

 #`(let ([x 1]) x)

and so

 (f #'x)

above is equivalent to

 #`(let ([x 1]) x)


If you change the example to

 #lang racket
 (begin-for-syntax 
  (define-syntax-rule (f body)
    #`(let ([x 1]) body)))
 (define-syntax (m stx)
   (with-syntax ([zz (f x)]) #`(let ([x 2]) zz)))
 (m)

so that `f' is used as a macro instead of a function, then you get 2,
since the macro-expansion of `(f x)' keeps the `x's separate.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-10 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-30 15:22 Enhancement to the syntax system? Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-02 19:28 ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-07-02 20:43   ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-02 22:41     ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-07-03 14:37       ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-03 21:33         ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-07-03 21:52           ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-04  7:47             ` Marijn
2012-07-04  8:04               ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-09 15:52             ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-07-09 17:40               ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-10  8:24                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-07-10 13:35                   ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-10 14:34                     ` Marijn
2012-07-10 14:51                       ` [racket-dev] " Eli Barzilay
     [not found]                         ` <20476.16781.257276.194149-a5nvgYPMCZcx/1z6v04GWfZ8FUJU4vz8@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-10 15:03                           ` Matthew Flatt [this message]
2012-07-10 15:26                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-07-10 15:44                               ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-10 17:47                                 ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2012-07-10 16:48                             ` Eli Barzilay
2014-05-03 21:29                             ` Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
2012-07-10 15:44                           ` Ryan Culpepper
2012-07-10 15:22                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-07-10  7:36               ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe

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