From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Gran Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: summer of code ideas Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:45:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <152070.84438.qm@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Mike Gran NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1299548750 25349 80.91.229.12 (8 Mar 2011 01:45:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 01:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "guile-devel@gnu.org" To: Mark H Weaver , "Jose A. 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Ortega Ruiz =0A>Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org=0A>Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:10 PM=0A>Sub= ject: Re: summer of code ideas=0A>=0A>>"Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" = writes:=0A>>> =A0=A0 (use-modules (url://a-url.com library module #:optiona= l a-rev-number))=0A>>=0A>> FWIW, i think this is a bad idea.=A0 It intermin= gles two concerns that are=0A>> othogonal, namely installing a package and = using it.=0A>=0A>I very strongly agree with jao.=A0 Systems like this, e.g.= Python Eggs,=0A>have been a major headache for distributions to deal with.= =A0 Debian=0A>actually takes the time to disable this automatic downloading= and=0A>installing functionality from their Python packages, and I'm glad f= or=0A>it.=A0 I am very security conscious, and the thought of software bein= g=0A>automatically installed "on-demand" from untrusted sources when I run = a=0A>program, or maybe even when I first use some particular functionality = of=0A>that program, is very disconcerting.=0A=0AI think people are conflati= ng 'an idea' with 'the idea' here. The call was=0Afor possible SOC ideas.= =0A=0AAt my work, we sometimes operate this way: field engineers use client= =0Aprograms that are rather like AJAX webapps. The head office updates a= =0Aserver. It works for us.=0A=0AI didn't suggest that for all time Guile = must officially such a system.=0A=0ASheesh.=0A=0A-Mike=0A