From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nala Ginrut Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Guile Lua Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:25:17 +0800 Organization: HFG Message-ID: <1358004317.23443.114.camel@Renee-desktop.suse> References: <87d2zc6vla.fsf@googlemail.com> <1353292230.5256.23.camel@Renee-desktop.suse> <87lidxti7b.fsf@gnu.org> <1353468038.5256.84.camel@Renee-desktop.suse> <87lidvhyuu.fsf@gnu.org> <1357980226.23443.44.camel@Renee-desktop.suse> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1358004345 6253 80.91.229.3 (12 Jan 2013 15:25:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ludovic =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= , guile-devel To: Noah Lavine Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 12 16:26:02 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tu2y4-00017G-UA for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:25:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50798 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tu2xo-0004sj-SQ for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:25:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55521) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tu2xl-0004se-SD for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tu2xi-0007q2-65 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:25:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-da0-f45.google.com ([209.85.210.45]:53728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tu2xb-0007nx-9q; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:25:27 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-da0-f45.google.com with SMTP id w4so1193265dam.18 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:25:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to :references:organization:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KPLevlSSz6vDXhaO9EhhnXuD1X5mAUPM5mLhYtE0+KY=; b=ooUPYst7sR+O+n+gZy/fzZSQDzgj5c0AafcpdEV8lIesB1cHKhVCp3XLzZfE3N0Hog RztOjEdjIbsUHR2tzOhL7RD83nZ0gnKhYD9rDHGMUjpfAPzRvLE9ScMCPqwpkusBn20f jKVXZkrA1PfUpQ17TTuIaB9biDzBoHDZjuLEu0MtPYsP+ZEtpbdKZjKYG9f00LSUJoO4 BVz6OCeFllXypeZi9fZjM5EC367cr8NiAAGK31zlX04OElTuH7Xr8rnil3EPAiVu/P/5 MBqd4qewu9dEybYs2HBNsM3cf0rzhM1iwaklAHMXjDhn694WUGqRwAVOpB+GG6q8wdc8 HT/Q== X-Received: by 10.68.219.36 with SMTP id pl4mr133836734pbc.124.1358004326501; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:25:26 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.100.103] ([183.13.177.8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i1sm5145951pav.35.2013.01.12.07.25.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.210.45 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:15406 Archived-At: On Sat, 2013-01-12 at 09:37 -0500, Noah Lavine wrote: > I sent an email about that, but it was only an idea. I thought it > would be nice if we could work with the Clisp people. However, I can > see some barriers to actually doing that, and I don't intend to work > on it any time soon. > Thanks for asking that. Anyway, we may throw it into TODO list. I don't intend to work on it too, since Lisp is not on my hack line, I have Scheme anyway. ;-P > > Noah > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Nala Ginrut > wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:51 +0100, Stefan Israelsson Tampe > wrote: > > Hi, > > > In terms of strategy, I think Guile’s focus should remain > primarily > > on > > > Scheme variants, and ELisp. Other language front-ends are > of course > > > welcome, but we must keep an eye on what the demand is. > > > > What about common lisp is scheme a lisp or is CL a > scheme :-) > > > > > IIRC， someone raised the topic that emerge Clisp into Guile > in 2011, > but what's the status now? > > > Anyway to support CL I would think that we need to support > placing > > properties > > on symbols, e,g. currently a symbol slot is a variable, but > to > > effectively support CL I would go for > > /Stefan > > > > > > > > Den 21 nov 2012 14:26 skrev "Ludovic Courtès" > : > > Hi! > > > > nalaginrut skribis: > > > > > I switch to lua branch then compiled it and try, > seems some > > bugs there, > > > it can't run successfully: > > > -------------------cut-------------------- > > > scheme@(guile-user)> ,L lua > > > Happy hacking with Lua! To switch back, type `,L > scheme'. > > > lua@(guile-user)> x=1 > > > > Maybe you need a semicolon here? > > > > > And I checked the code, it doen't use Guile inner > LALR > > parser. > > > Anybody point me out what is the suggested parser > > implementation? > > > > (system base lalr). > > > > > And is there anyone ever evaluated the efficiency > about the > > non-scheme > > > language implemented within Guile? > > > > I don’t think so. Only the Scheme and Emacs Lisp > front-end > > are > > reasonably mature, anyway. > > > > > Anyway, this wouldn't be a big problem, since > Guile could be > > the > > > future dynamic language compiler collection, it > could be > > optimized > > > later. > > > > FWIW, I don’t quite buy the “dynamic language > compiler > > collection”. > > Others tried this before (Parrot), with some success > in terms > > of > > supported languages, but not much beyond that. > > > > In terms of strategy, I think Guile’s focus should > remain > > primarily on > > Scheme variants, and ELisp. Other language > front-ends are of > > course > > welcome, but we must keep an eye on what the demand > is. > > > > Thanks, > > Ludo’. > > > > > > > >