From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: nalaginrut Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: a passionate guy who want to join in as a developer Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:18:42 +0800 Organization: HFG Message-ID: <1344853122.30422.23.camel@Renee-SUSE.suse> References: <5024F643.8040706@netris.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344853139 18424 80.91.229.3 (13 Aug 2012 10:18:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mark H Weaver , guile-devel@gnu.org To: rushan chen Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 13 12:18:59 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T0rjb-00017M-RG for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:18:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41415 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0rja-0001sw-UA for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:18:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46583) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0rjW-0001sq-Tf for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:18:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0rjU-0002aQ-II for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:18:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:41196) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0rjU-0002aL-BF for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:18:48 -0400 Original-Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so2283943qcs.0 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 03:18:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references :organization:content-type:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=nPzIaoF+gO0ihhZxVa+G6thBd9apbxSkt6tJQIcY95I=; b=nJSF4iPRE0zRCab1PZVfTE4Pgft2siDPrTvRED0q1p//XfoJ3WNEdCAF9WCbJ5Hbbi yNrJp7zQKEs+kroCjM51jxzRDZ9hu3gggBiEmQY4QZ6bSr9IF5hpxrH+jPUbJlRWwxuS e3qlgH6REH98pBrHr312qksqjiGnejovOG48GDvcc+9JGxeJIINAx2CbnFWDO5lJZ43k 34tyWKy0GUs+ZKSITFj/95mIeNw3vhysudErScYAeKKKGWDcczl+2GWcvYytQIkWLRTl s2oZn8w1iLAVMRe+EZiuqn0tb4XzRz6gpZtjz2hH+AALT/DgIftNMI3TepVmuPTW90Pe ib5Q== Original-Received: by 10.229.102.67 with SMTP id f3mr6034097qco.137.1344853127934; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 03:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [147.2.147.112] ([61.14.130.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg7sm9008946qab.19.2012.08.13.03.18.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Aug 2012 03:18:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.216.169 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:14798 Archived-At: On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 22:31 +0800, rushan chen wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Very appreciate for your reply. > > I see you mention that it's useful to implement a larger library of > efficient data structure, and I'm interested in that very much. I used to > work on projects which involve complicated but very interesting data > structures, implementing them could be challenging, but once done I feel a > great sense of achievement. > good > One such project is implementing a language model (LM) which is a core > component of speech recognition and machine translation. I don't know if > you heard of it before. Unfortunately, I can't cover it too detailed here, > that would complicate things too much. > > Basically, one of the key operations LM supports is it should return a > probability associated with any given id sequence. All id sequences are of > the same length, and there are a mass amount of such id sequences (a > commonly-seen LM may contain billions of them). So it's required to store > LM in a concise way, and at the same time make the search for each id > sequence very quickly. > OK, it's very good > Trie is finally chosen to be the data structure for LM (there were many > papers discussing this issue). All id sequences with the same prefix share > the same internal node, for example, for <1, 2, 3, 4> and <1, 2, 3, 5>, > only one copy of <1, 2, 3> will be stored in LM, and a search for a id > sequence is done by a sequence of binary search until the leaf is met. One > extra thing worth mentioning is that I store the whole trie structure in a > single large piece of memory (usually around 2 gigabytes), which makes > it convenient to write out to disk and load into memory by simply using > mmap, and I think it also makes the system faster than if you allocate > memory every time it's needed. > Seems we don't have any prefix-tree implementation yet? Maybe some hero too busy to share it? ;-) I'd like to see you make it, or I must write myself one. IIRC, many guys here wrote their own data-structure/algorithm implementations. Sharing makes our world better. But, sometimes we reinvent wheels just for fun. So just do what you want to do if it's interesting to you. > There are some other projects I worked or working on like Spell Corrector, > which also involve complicated data structures, but due to privacy policy, > I can't say much about it. > Actually, there's no privacy policy, that's why GNU and GPL exists. If something force you not to share, you may rewrite it all by yourself(or other guys), and GPL it. Then no more privacy policy. Your friends will see your creativity, and your work be enhanced by others. > All in all, I'm very interested in it, and I really really hope I can help. > > Looking forward to your reply. Thanks in advance. > > Have fun! > happy hacking! > Rushan Chen