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From: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@free-expression.org>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: goops and memoization
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:17:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <02120312173604.12810@locke.free-expression.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xy7lm37y1l7.fsf@linnaeus.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>

On Tuesday 03 December 2002 02:59, Mikael Djurfeldt wrote:
> Well, actually we have a guarantee that when we re-memoize, 'lambda,
> 'if etc are bound to exactly the same thing as when the procedure was
> originally memoized.  This is because the lexical environment of the
> method is used when re-memoizing.

   Either  define-syntax or define can change the meaning of
lambda in the global environment.  It will use the same binding,
true, but that's not the same thing.

> Note that for method optimization to work, unmemoization *must* be
> faithful to the semantics of the procedure.  The optimizer must be
> able to lookup the true binding of every identifier.

      The memoizer is not an optimizer.  It merely expands macros
into a constant core representation.  I fail to understand the problem.
The internal constants are precisely what you want - a representation
of core scheme (plus some things like "and" and "or" that are
syntactic sugar but implemented for speed).   They're not pointers
into a run-time symbol table, but so what?  It's easy to translate
them to symbols for printing purposes.

> Thus, we have the requirement that memoization is semantically 100%
> reversible.  Then one might of course argue that that is a too strict
> requirement.

      Requiring reversibility of arbitrary macro expansions is pretty
close to nuts.

> The original reason for the choice to work on Scheme code instead of
> on the memoized representation was that it was simpler and could be
> handled on the Scheme level, and could be made to work quickly.

       If you do it at the scheme level, sure.  But if you're doing it at the
C level you have to use some system-specific representation anyway.
So what's wrong with constants?

Lynn



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-03 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.05.10212011757340.18607-100000@sallust.ida.ing.tu-bs.de>
2002-12-01 18:00 ` goops and memoization Neil Jerram
2002-12-02  8:45 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-02  9:14   ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-03  0:13   ` Lynn Winebarger
2002-12-03  7:59     ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-03  8:38       ` Tom Lord
2002-12-04  2:25         ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-04  2:49           ` Tom Lord
2002-12-03 17:17       ` Lynn Winebarger [this message]
2002-12-04  2:41         ` Mikael Djurfeldt
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.05.10212021836430.21423-100000@sallust.ida.ing.tu-bs.de>
2002-12-04  2:19 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.05.10212021650410.21423-100000@sallust.ida.ing.tu-bs.de>
2002-12-04  1:53 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-04  2:38   ` Tom Lord
2002-12-04  2:56   ` Rob Browning
2002-11-16 13:41 Dirk Herrmann
2002-11-17 10:56 ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-20 18:11   ` Dirk Herrmann
2002-11-21  3:11     ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-21  3:28       ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-21 23:50         ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-22  1:08           ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-22  1:13             ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-24  9:41               ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-24 16:32                 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-21 20:31       ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-22  0:49         ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-29 22:48       ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-29 23:31         ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-21 20:36     ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-24 16:42       ` Dirk Herrmann

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