From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Southern Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.bugs Subject: Re: Typos in the manual Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:30:41 -0600 Message-ID: References: <20110208202529.GD16805@gmx.de> <874o88kbbs.fsf@ossau.uklinux.net> <8CD9B68D2F170D1-714-CAC@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <20110215211443.GG24361@gmx.de> <8CD9B775B2E1E50-714-23E5@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <87mxlw7s3i.fsf@ossau.uklinux.net> <8CD9B9A6430A5CE-714-4AA4@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1297886423 4843 80.91.229.12 (16 Feb 2011 20:00:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:00:23 +0000 (UTC) To: bug-guile@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 16 21:00:18 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-bugs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PpnXp-000591-Nr for guile-bugs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:00:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47647 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PpnJW-0003w5-6J for guile-bugs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:45:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56436 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PpY6G-0008Si-8B for bug-guile@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:30:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PpY6E-0005Fk-MZ for bug-guile@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:30:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:56332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PpY6E-0005Fg-Jh for bug-guile@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:30:42 -0500 Original-Received: by iwc10 with SMTP id 10so920562iwc.0 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fusEK7twn10E6zXijmzX6+jU4V7hGDss+A1gmaIlWeM=; b=aSVx9/NXrKJx6sqk0VDuAyOL5ylEsZyltDSvvTIIGu15+UvzDg8lhX/ng3A+2srQlk nKcIJRV2vI/d+Su/MphDTdADY5qjSEYh+N7u1XMkpWyJdctmWOZ9ncI1djjgDTNyr9wS 5nI0jteXdLF7BDkD2e8QHW3/XIuGTLQnMrs/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=v+rwc68a18ginye9UAUKxm7o8M6IH6lem5usm003LFTEeMRNJMSPAay2upe5X1rgzT O0H8iJVTFnTg895EOfmhOf3MJyK9Gjx2HAsPRO5Ka7S55khTpj4FwxuA1ps7V/FCmqIG ARUKS1na36BjptcO3LbrB1/43wmwaYV+Kao5o= Original-Received: by 10.231.160.80 with SMTP id m16mr44415ibx.106.1297827041253; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.231.14.12 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CD9B9A6430A5CE-714-4AA4@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: Wap3-OEmQaEfo8cqsFP2m1qa4Z0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.214.169 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:45:18 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-guile@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GUILE, GNU's Ubiquitous Extension Language" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.bugs:5156 Archived-At: On 15 February 2011 20:43, Mark Harig wrote: > >> >> Also, while the Chicago Manual of Style recommends it, some other onl= ine >> >> grammar sites mention that it is American English style, but British >> >> English would not add a comma afterwards. >> >> My feeling is consistent with that. =A0I'm British, and I'd say there ar= e >> lots of cases where it is more natural (to me) not to have a comma after >> "i.e." or "e.g.". >> > > This is the crux of the argument. =A0Should the GNU Guile manual be > written using British English or American English, both in grammar and > spelling? =A0American English usage rules require a comma, while British > English requires that there not to be a comma. =A0There needs to be a > decision about which set of usage rules should be used in the primary > version of the manual, and then differences can be resolved in > translations. =A0But whichever is decided, it should not be "use a comma > if you feel it's needed; otherwise, leave it out." =A0Reference manuals > are not the place for personal style. =A0Let's leave that for tutorials. > While I agree that a consistent style is desirable for a manual, I just wanted to point out that the issue at hand is definitely not a British vs. American English debate. For example, although he has nothing to say on the matter (that I could find), you'll notice that H.W. Fowler quite consistently uses a comma after "i.e." and "e.g." in his book, "The King's English" [0]. I sincerely doubt that anyone would dare to call his English Americanised. Personally, although it's neither here nor there, I'm pro-comma and most definitely en_GB. Francis [0] - http://www.bartleby.com/116/213.html (An arbitrary page, but if you search it for "i.e." you'll see the comma.)