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From: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
To: mhw@netris.org
Cc: Zefram <zefram@fysh.org>, 16365@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#16365: (* 0 +inf.0) rationale is flawed
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:41:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r3bqzpbd.fsf@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140106001719.GI21945@fysh.org> (zefram@fysh.org's message of "Mon, 6 Jan 2014 00:17:19 +0000")

Thoughts, Mark?

On Mon 06 Jan 2014 01:17, Zefram <zefram@fysh.org> writes:

> Commit 5e7918077a4015768a352ab19e4a8e94531bc8aa says
>
>       A note on the rationale for (* 0 +inf.0) being a NaN and not exact 0:
>       The R6RS requires that (/ 0 0.0) return a NaN value, and that (/ 0.0)
>       return +inf.0.  We would like (/ x y) to be the same as (* x (/ y)),
>
> This identity doesn't actually hold.  For example, on guile 2.0.9 with
> IEEE double flonums:
>
> scheme@(guile-user)> (/ (expt 2.0 -20) (expt 2.0 -1026))
> $36 = 6.857655085992111e302
> scheme@(guile-user)> (* (expt 2.0 -20) (/ (expt 2.0 -1026)))
> $37 = +inf.0
>
> This case arises because the dynamic range of this flonum format is
> slightly asymmetric: 2^-1026 is representable, but 2^1026 overflows.
>
> So the rationale for (* 0 +inf.0) yielding +nan.0 is flawed.  As the
> supposed invariant and the rationale are not in the actual documentation
> (only mentioned in the commit log) this is not necessarily a bug.
> But worth thinking again to determine whether the case for adopting
> the flonum behaviour here is still stronger than the obvious case for
> the exact zero to predominate.  (Mathematically, multiplying zero by an
> infinite number does yield zero.  Let alone multiplying it by a merely
> large finite number, which is what the flonum indefinite `infinity'
> really represents.)
>
> -zefram





  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-21 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-06  0:17 bug#16365: (* 0 +inf.0) rationale is flawed Zefram
2016-06-21 12:41 ` Andy Wingo [this message]
2016-06-21 13:57   ` Mark H Weaver
2016-06-21 14:21     ` Zefram

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