From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.bugs Subject: bug#15602: Compiling several files in the same session [2.0.9] Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:17:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9cm7erj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8761t19t4f.fsf@gnu.org> <87twgm23dv.fsf@pobox.com> <87eg7qagz6.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8iey4cq.fsf@pobox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466522327 13644 80.91.229.3 (21 Jun 2016 15:18:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15602-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andy Wingo Original-X-From: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 21 17:18:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-bugs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bFNRh-0002tn-Qe for guile-bugs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:17:23 -0400 X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 4 Messidor an 224 de la =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87a8iey4cq.fsf@pobox.com> (Andy Wingo's message of "Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:00:05 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-guile@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GUILE, GNU's Ubiquitous Extension Language" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-guile" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.bugs:8105 Archived-At: Andy Wingo skribis: > On Tue 21 Jun 2016 14:01, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > >> Andy Wingo skribis: >> >>> On Sun 13 Oct 2013 15:51, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: >>>> I think the right thing would be to use a separate module hierarchy in >>>> the dynamic extent of =E2=80=98compile-file=E2=80=99, somehow, such th= at all module side >>>> effects are isolated. >>> >>> I don't think this is going to happen, for what that's worth :/ >> >> What do you mean? >> >> Global state held in global variables is Bad. To me, this is clearly an >> area where things can and should be improved. In a live-hacked, >> long-running system, that =E2=80=98compile-file=E2=80=99 modifies the gl= obal state in >> arbitrary ways is not just a theoretical problem. >> >> WDYT? > > Maybe you are right. Maybe we need completely new data structures in > the module subsystem to support excursions in which we make private > changes to the module tree, and in which we can "commit" modifications > to the main tree when they are intended to be installed globally. Very > tricky to get right though. > > My "I don't think this is going to happen" expressed a guess as to our > ability to get this done, time- and interest-wise. How much are you > able to work on this? I feel being cornered, which makes me feel bad. I think it=E2=80=99s reasonable and healthy to discuss, as a group, what=E2= =80=99s worth fixing and how. Ludo=E2=80=99.