From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.bugs Subject: bug#19883: Correction for backtrace Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:18:15 +0100 Message-ID: <8761anbqu0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87twyln70f.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <873865n2rr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87twy91vtc.fsf@gnu.org> <878ufld1iw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k2z4dhx7.fsf@gnu.org> <874mq8dfb3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fv9sahxx.fsf@gnu.org> <87wq34bsh7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wq34zghp.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhjkbhlp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874mq7vfuv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1425032364 1115 80.91.229.3 (27 Feb 2015 10:19:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19883@debbugs.gnu.org To: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Original-X-From: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 27 11:19:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-bugs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YRI0n-0002y1-DQ for guile-bugs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:19:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34819 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YRI0m-0003l2-F7 for guile-bugs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:19:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YRI0i-0003ho-K8 for bug-guile@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:19:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YRI0c-0007GD-Ju for bug-guile@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:19:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:55662) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YRI0c-0007G7-Gh for bug-guile@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YRI0c-0004hk-5A for bug-guile@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:19:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: David Kastrup Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guile@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19883 X-GNU-PR-Package: guile X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19883-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19883.142503229918032 (code B ref 19883); Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19883) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Feb 2015 10:18:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59260 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YRHzv-0004gl-6j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:18:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:48483 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YRHzt-0004gd-C4 for 19883@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:18:18 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55789 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YRHzs-0001sT-D7; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:18:16 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7A2B9E0BED; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:18:15 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <874mq7vfuv.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?="'s message of "Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:55:04 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-guile@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GUILE, GNU's Ubiquitous Extension Language" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-guile-bounces+guile-bugs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.bugs:7734 Archived-At: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > David Kastrup skribis: > >> Three years ago in August there was a meeting of developers at my house, >> a lot of information was passed around and in a concerted effort >> LilyPond-2.16.0 was released. >> >> Since then all developments would properly be labelled a one-person >> project or side-project. > > OK. I viewed LilyPond as a project with more people involved. There are a number of them involved, but with regard to coding, everybody is working on his own projects. The largest amount of "teamwork" is probably done in the translation team (which translates documentation and web pages to several different languages) and with documentation writers. There are also people compiling the releases and running the test suites. And there is feedback on the bug trackers. > Sure. There=E2=80=99s quite a number of names showing up in the > lilypond-devel archive though. We need them to feel concerned about > this. The only concern you'll get is people piping up and saying they cannot believe that not more progress has been made. Which is not all that dissimilar to what I see with GUILE and other projects even when sending ready-made patches. In this particular case however, the respective people do not have the low-level skills to actually contribute significantly. Which is the reason I try to condense the ugly stuff into well-encapsulated and controlled places instead of keeping them distributed across the code base. The memory management stuff is of that "nobody else treads here" kind. Now the encoding stuff is wildly enfuriating in its pointless erection and shifting around of road blocks for people needing to actually work with strings and buffers in their original encoding, but would possibly be suitable as material to fight with to more C programmers. --=20 David Kastrup