From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Running emacs without any customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 14:02:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <871qrceb1r.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfjscquz.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jw81bzy.fsf@dataswamp.org> <2dyTCubii5MXGOBNOfmeFmh8mjr1P1pTI9Hry_CXqQLmzwu1Ed8gtIJarhmb9mNiUvo5NUZjYj_1VjS0fq_7JVS2UaCdmZryrdmk3wXhTiU=@proton.me> <87v8onc2yc.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k053c0zx.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25402"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emanuel Berg , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 16:10:06 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyuT-0006Oq-Uu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:10:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56886 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyuR-0001SF-Mk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:10:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44162) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiynA-0004hx-Ik for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:02:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:61189) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyn8-0004A0-KN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:02:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665669747; x=1665928947; bh=ZvB2+PO0mmYzIEGwqWYgVxzF/y7dUW//Fd11IKjUkNE=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=AouhBytL4HLTx0I/zGOvUcFveRLx8DbwwJZXfdvEFh5qmQKmswNofQeJ2rr6XzuAa sUh8GCb/75KKnFHyxWD0au+esXjJD6y2Z318S3oOjeFB/0ch8jLs2zB+m18kwffzTq bhYPl0iRcfIQuEQdPyHzImjpvSaINEKEwLdNrgj23odCzLUd1psUyy8XJuF3TeMPXg aQigGIMeuG4s/BQSFM3rQG5ONEvij/c4g7pVkgvaXKb455ZWvAi/nTIc8LE851ENnw D7OKCRIYEh5mPPYWdkqTyuZgcvtx6+PylD17As52QDYpM2LaRCbxQypVqXO9s6JfZv 9fpWqT1gKf+pQ== In-Reply-To: <87k053c0zx.fsf@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.24; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4324.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139900 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Po Lu wrot= e: > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: >=20 > > Because it is known that users are not fully in control of what form or > > settings are specified in x-resources, emacs should stop forcing them. >=20 >=20 > X resources are not forced by Emacs. Set inhibit-x-resources in > early-init.el. >=20 > > What I see, is a stumbling block that experienced people can't get pass= ed > > because they are being limited by the past, that things have been this = way > > for decades. I do not see the great designers like Guy Steele or Richar= d > > Stallman at their prime anymore. >=20 >=20 > Here, you're seeing the work of the great designer Joel McCormack, of > Digital WSL, at his prime. That was in the 70's. Who are the equivalent people today? Maintainers today typically maintain a system rather than really designing it in interesting ways. Although, I have to say that good work can only happen with free software. Se we have the advantage here.