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From: Kelly Dean <kelly@prtime.org>
To: Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Desktop mode saves mark-ring too verbosely
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:20:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <zAwK94ZYp8UIBiHHT99DSX1pkrO89cwvoYCvRsKoxr5@local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k30fql9k.fsf@violet.siamics.net>

Ivan Shmakov wrote:
>> +(defvar desktop-var-serdes-funs
[snip]
> aren’t “serialization” and “deserialization” often
> referred to as “writing” and “reading” in the dialects of Lisp?

Yes, but I intentionally avoided those terms because this table is for functions that don't necessarily just print and read in the normal Lisp sense. E.g. mark-ring contains markers, and a marker contains both a position and a reference to the relevant buffer, so simply printing mark-ring in the Lisp sense would involve printing both the positions and the buffer references, but its serializer function in this table outputs only the positions. The entire point of my patch is to avoid the Lisp sense of printing, because printing the buffer references is far too verbose.

> It doesn’t look like a common abbreviation,

It's a common abbreviation for parallel↔serial conversion circuits, which are reasonably analogous to functions that convert program data to/from a text stream. And circuitry is a domain for which it's common to share terminology with software.

> so I guess
> “serializer, deserializer” should rather be spelled in full.

This table is something that only programmers, not users, will need to understand or modify, so using a technical abbreviation isn't a problem. Emacs already has abbreviated names such as ⌜fboundp⌝ and ⌜fmakunbound⌝ for programmer-only things, instead of ⌜function-bound-predicate⌝ and ⌜function-make-unbound⌝. So if anything, ⌜funs⌝ isn't abbreviated _enough_. ;-)

Spelling out ⌜desktop-variable-serialization-deserialization-functions⌝ would be ironic, considering the purpose of my patch.

BTW, you quoted only me, but you CCed only Stefan. I almost missed your message, until I checked the mailing list.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-23 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-22  3:44 [PATCH] Desktop mode saves mark-ring too verbosely Kelly Dean
2013-11-23 13:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-21 12:11   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-21 15:04     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22  5:43       ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-22  8:20         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-01-23 13:20           ` Kelly Dean [this message]
2015-01-23 14:09             ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-01-24  3:08             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-24 23:30               ` Elisp terminology (was: Re: [PATCH] Desktop mode saves mark-ring too verbosely) Kelly Dean
2015-01-25  9:49                 ` Elisp terminology David Kastrup
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-01-23  2:59 Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 20:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-24  0:41   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24  0:48     ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-01-24  3:28     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-24  8:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 10:32         ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24 11:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 10:30       ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24 11:03         ` David Kastrup
2015-01-24 23:24           ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-25  9:16             ` David Kastrup
2015-01-26  3:52               ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-26  8:28                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen

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