rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Xavier Maillard]

Hi,

I am trying to test rmail (so I can write an article on our
wbsite).

I am asking how people can use rmail and read
huge-traffic-mailing-list.

Do you have special configurations ? Is there some sort of
auto-splitting/filtering on header I may have not seen ?

Regards
-- 
Xavier Maillard
Président de LoLiCA (http://www.lolica.org)
Tel: +33 (0) 668-046-437

Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[leon]

You'll be better off using gnus.

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Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Xavier Maillard]

On 27 Nov 2005, leon wrote:

> You'll be better off using gnus.

I just do but I want to test other emacs mails modes. Rmail is
one of them and the oldest one AFAIK. I want to know why there so
many people still using it nowadays.
-- 
Xavier Maillard
Président de LoLiCA (http://www.lolica.org)
Tel: +33 (0) 668-046-437

Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[leon]

Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:

> On 27 Nov 2005, leon wrote:
>
>> You'll be better off using gnus.
>
> I just do but I want to test other emacs mails modes. Rmail is
> one of them and the oldest one AFAIK. I want to know why there so
> many people still using it nowadays.

Hmm... I picked gnus the first day I started using emacs. I have
never had a chance to explore RMail. As stated in emacswiki:

"Rmail is the primary Emacs mail-reader. I don't know how many people
currently use it, but I will ignore any suggestion to treat it as
unimportant." -- RMS

I'm curious if it's capable of dealing large volume mailing lists.

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.   /..'\     to manufacture                  .
.   /'.'\   and the hardest things to sell    .
.  /.''.'\                                    .
.  /.'.'.\                                    .
. /'.''.'.\                                   .
. ^^^[_]^^^                                   .
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Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Chong Yidong]

Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:

>> You'll be better off using gnus.
>
> I just do but I want to test other emacs mails modes. Rmail is
> one of them and the oldest one AFAIK. I want to know why there so
> many people still using it nowadays.

Rmail is simple to use, but does not do fancy things like mail
splitting.  If you need stuff like that, use gnus.

Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Pascal Bourguignon]

leon <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:

> Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
>
>> On 27 Nov 2005, leon wrote:
>>
>>> You'll be better off using gnus.
>>
>> I just do but I want to test other emacs mails modes. Rmail is
>> one of them and the oldest one AFAIK. I want to know why there so
>> many people still using it nowadays.
>
> Hmm... I picked gnus the first day I started using emacs. I have
> never had a chance to explore RMail. As stated in emacswiki:
>
> "Rmail is the primary Emacs mail-reader. I don't know how many people
> currently use it, but I will ignore any suggestion to treat it as
> unimportant." -- RMS
>
> I'm curious if it's capable of dealing large volume mailing lists.

It's seems to me vm is more able to deal with large mailboxes than rmail.

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Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Anselm Helbig]

hi xavier, 

At Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:50:27 +0100,
Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> wrote:
> 
> On 27 Nov 2005, leon wrote:
> 
> > You'll be better off using gnus.
> 
> I just do but I want to test other emacs mails modes. Rmail is
> one of them and the oldest one AFAIK. I want to know why there so
> many people still using it nowadays.

first, i use wanderlust. but the concept of "labels" in rmail is
something that's quite modern, compare it the "tags" in gmail and
del.icio.us.

regards, 

anselm

Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Henrik Enberg]

> From: Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org>
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:27:09 +0100
> 
> I am trying to test rmail (so I can write an article on our
> wbsite).
> 
> I am asking how people can use rmail and read
> huge-traffic-mailing-list.
> 
> Do you have special configurations ? Is there some sort of
> auto-splitting/filtering on header I may have not seen ?

Well, you can use multiple inboxes which get their mail from different
places if you wish.  C-u M-x rmail RET will prompt you for a mailbox
(you can choose a new, non-existing one here) to open, and once you're
in one, you can use M-x set-rmail-inbox-list to say what mailspools this
mailbox should read from.

This of course means you need to set up your mail to be split into
several spools via procmail or similar.

Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Xavier Maillard]

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Henrik Enberg <henrik.enberg@telia.com> writes:

>> From: Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org>
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:27:09 +0100
>> 
>> I am trying to test rmail (so I can write an article on our
>> wbsite).
>> 
>> I am asking how people can use rmail and read
>> huge-traffic-mailing-list.
>> 
>> Do you have special configurations ? Is there some sort of
>> auto-splitting/filtering on header I may have not seen ?
>
> Well, you can use multiple inboxes which get their mail from different
> places if you wish.  C-u M-x rmail RET will prompt you for a mailbox
> (you can choose a new, non-existing one here) to open, and once you're
> in one, you can use M-x set-rmail-inbox-list to say what mailspools this
> mailbox should read from.

This is a nice solution but I just discovered C-M-t and friends and also labels.
My problem is I read my mails from one and only one mailspool (/var/mail/zedek as
asked to fetchmail).

Well I will try to live as is.

I have another trouble : when pressing m, I end up into a Message buffer and not into a mail-mode
buffer. What should I tweak to use the default mail-mode ?

Thank you all for your help
-- 
Xavier Maillard

Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Henrik Enberg]

> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:06:00 +0100
> From: Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org>
> 
> I have another trouble: when pressing m, I end up into a Message
> buffer and not into a mail-mode buffer. What should I tweak to use the
> default mail-mode?

The variable `mail-user-agent' tells emacs what to use for composing
mail.  To get mail-mode which is the default BTW, set it to
sendmail-user-agent

Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Bill Wohler]

Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes:

> Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:
>
>>> You'll be better off using gnus.
>>
>> I just do but I want to test other emacs mails modes. Rmail is
>> one of them and the oldest one AFAIK. I want to know why there so
>> many people still using it nowadays.
>
> Rmail is simple to use, but does not do fancy things like mail
> splitting.  If you need stuff like that, use gnus.

Or procmail.

I use both MH-E (http://mh-e.sf.net/) and Gnus myself.

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Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Raimund.Kohl]

Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com> wrote:

> 
> Or procmail.
> 
> I use both MH-E (http://mh-e.sf.net/) and Gnus myself.

Somewhere I read that procmail doesn't work perfectly with mh-e
... wrong?  AFAIK it is said that the indexing doesn't work - therefor I
never used procmail.

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Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Bill Wohler]

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Raimund.Kohl@nabuli.de wrote:

> Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Or procmail.
> > 
> > I use both MH-E (http://mh-e.sf.net/) and Gnus myself.
> 
> Somewhere I read that procmail doesn't work perfectly with mh-e
> ... wrong?  AFAIK it is said that the indexing doesn't work - therefor I
> never used procmail.

I think you meant "locking" instead of "indexing."

I use procmail locking to keep multiple copies of rcvstore from stepping
on each other and rely on rcvstore to keep from stepping on invocations
of MH from the command line. For example:

  :0 w: mh-e$LOCKEXT
  * ^From mh-e-(announce|devel|users)-admin@lists.sourceforge.net
  | bwrcvstore -create +lists/mh-e

If it isn't "perfect", it's good enough. I haven't noticed any mail
getting clobbered in the nearly 20 years I've been using this.

I've attached the bwrcvstore script.


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Re: rmail: dealing with mailing lists ?

[Christopher C. Stacy]

Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu-rox.org> writes:

> On 27 Nov 2005, leon wrote:
>
>> You'll be better off using gnus.
>
> I just do but I want to test other emacs mails modes. Rmail is
> one of them and the oldest one AFAIK. I want to know why there so
> many people still using it nowadays.

I wonder if there are "many people" using it.
I only use it because I have many archival mailboxes 
in BABYL file format going back 25 years.

At the place where Emacs was invented, we had already replaced RMAIL
with BABYL, and then with something much more powerful, all 25 years ago.
But the superior technology is no longer available -- long story -- and
I'm not thrilled with any of the other Emacs-based mail handling systems
like Gnus (which I do use for newsgroups).  So when the day came, I just
exported my mail files into BABYL format and sadly dropped back to RMAIL.
RMAIL lacks many features, but it's been adequate.