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From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug statistics
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:01:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yxq7hlmakto.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83fx0be7ad.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri\, 25 Jun 2010 13\:27\:38 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@gnu.org>
>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:28:19 -0400
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> 
>> IMO the main problem is man power.
>
> 100% agreement.
>
> Someone(TM) should check whether the switch to Bazaar made the number
> and rate of contributions from non-core developers higher.

Not sure how easy is it to measure that, we've also had a feature
freeze in place for a while which skews results.

Speaking for myself (TM): the switch to Bazaar made it MUCH HARDER to contribute.
It takes 5-15 minutes (sometimes even longer) to check in anything,
even for trivial changes.
If making / testing a change is quicker than the time to check it in,
it makes one think twice before trying to do anything.

I am not sure if the "smart server" for bzr would help, but the
current one is just doing some very effective negative advertising.
One has to wonder why it even exists, given that it performs so badly.

> should look for ways to attract more contributors, because the current
> resources of manpower are evidently not large enough.

Attracting contributors always helps, but it's also a question of
better using the current contributors.  
There are many many discussions on the list that end with nothing
because there's no clear authority that can make a final decision, and
nobody feels particularly responsible to do so.  
admin/MAINTAINERS is a good example: it lists a tiny amount of the
files in the tree.
IMHO there's a need for more distributed responsibility.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-25 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-23 20:41 Bug statistics Glenn Morris
2010-06-23 21:48 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-06-23 23:46   ` Glenn Morris
2010-06-24 15:40 ` Richard Stallman
2010-06-24 17:59   ` Tassilo Horn
2010-06-25 10:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-25 11:07       ` Tassilo Horn
2010-06-25 20:16         ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-26  0:48         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-25 21:31       ` Karl Fogel
2010-06-26  8:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-26  9:28           ` Tassilo Horn
2010-06-26 10:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-26 19:38           ` Karl Fogel
2010-06-25 18:37     ` Richard Stallman
2010-06-26  1:18       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-24 18:22   ` Karl Fogel
2010-06-24 18:34     ` Glenn Morris
2010-06-24 19:07       ` Karl Fogel
2010-06-24 19:21         ` Glenn Morris
2010-06-24 19:26           ` Karl Fogel
2010-06-25  1:28     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-06-25  1:40       ` Karl Fogel
2010-06-25  1:57         ` debbugs search output [was Re: Bug statistics] Glenn Morris
2010-06-25  2:03           ` debbugs search output Glenn Morris
2010-06-25  3:02             ` Karl Fogel
2010-07-03 13:19           ` Michael Albinus
2010-07-03 14:34             ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-03 18:36               ` Michael Albinus
2010-06-25  8:55       ` Bug statistics Yoni Rabkin
2010-06-25 10:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-25 20:23         ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-26  8:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-26 19:58             ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-26 14:09           ` Richard Stallman
2010-06-25 21:01         ` Dan Nicolaescu [this message]
2010-06-26 12:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-26 14:14             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-27 19:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-27 20:25                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-24 18:26   ` Glenn Morris
2010-06-25  5:47   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-26 14:09     ` Richard Stallman
2010-06-26 16:43       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-27 21:09         ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-20 19:32 Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-20 20:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-21  6:17   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-21  7:24     ` Michael Albinus
2019-10-21 11:05       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-21 11:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-21 12:26         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-21 13:04       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-21 13:50         ` Michael Albinus
2019-10-21 13:54           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-21 14:19             ` Michael Albinus
2019-10-21 14:32               ` Michael Albinus
2019-10-21 17:12                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-21 14:38               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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