From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Japanese input in Linux environment (fcitx-mozc) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 10:13:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <834lvt9mxw.fsf@gnu.org> <20170607080206.GA3070@workstation> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1496823247 14605 195.159.176.226 (7 Jun 2017 08:14:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 08:14:07 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 07 10:14:00 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIW6K-0003Nv-3C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 10:14:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41895 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIW6P-0003Sn-9F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 04:14:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37256) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIW60-0003Sh-0O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 04:13:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIW5w-0001kn-QO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 04:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=41365 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIW5w-0001kb-Jj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 04:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIW5p-0001rD-Af for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 10:13:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:cksivPgIvq3IEjCT73hlj0rpGXI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113389 Archived-At: Héctor Lahoz wrote: > This task, change input between different > languages, is not Emacs specific. Emacs is > not the only application in the world and > probably other applications will need this > too. As I said it is a very common task. > So it should not be provided by Emacs itself > but by some underlying system, be it GTK, > X11, or even the operating system. Yes, good point. Input methods should be the same all across. However leaving Emacs out of the equation may be too quick a conclusion. Because there are more to inputs than chars. For example, the cursor/point movement - M-b for `backward-word' and C-a for `move-beginning-of-line' and all that (there are *tons* of those). When you get into using all that producing and editing text or code gets very fast. But then, when you use a non-Emacs application you feel totally crippled. For example if you have an external IRC client (e.g., irssi), or even worse an external mail client (e.g., Thunderbird). To switch from one of those to an in-house solution, which here most often would be ERC and Gnus, one of the immediate huge gains would be getting all those finger habits working immediately, and contrary to many others things it will require no configuration or anything save for the switch itself. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573