From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Allan Gottlieb Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: finding the face of a popup Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87lkbwhur5.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87hcmiiuso.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <9DC6AC66-24D2-4204-AF6F-61920F8D2B4B@Web.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1188405178 3058 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2007 16:32:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:32:58 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 29 18:32:57 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IQQTO-0005b1-K3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:32:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQQTO-00082G-Ei for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:32:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQQRP-0007Ih-LB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:30:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQQRO-0007Hc-1T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:30:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQQRN-0007HT-Ky for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:30:49 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.nyu.edu ([128.122.140.230]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IQQRN-0002pl-9u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:30:49 -0400 Original-Received: from ajglap.localdomain (ool-4578d5e5.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.213.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.cs.nyu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7TGUme3023628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by ajglap.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1502) id F24E419D971; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:30:42 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9DC6AC66-24D2-4204-AF6F-61920F8D2B4B@Web.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Wed\, 29 Aug 2007 17\:26\:40 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46928 Archived-At: At Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:26:40 +0200 Peter Dyballa wrote: > Am 29.08.2007 um 16:22 schrieb Allan Gottlieb: > >> I believe that the description of a face given by placing point >> over a field and typing C-u C-x = should tell you >> the face of a popup that is triggered when the mouse is over that >> field. > > The tooltips exist inside their own frames. Typing C-u C-x = on some > thing that can make a tooltip appear could additionally display > information about the tooltip, but: there is only one kind of > tooltips. So it would mostly be useless information. Sure. But you knew that the name of the face was tooltip; that is exactly the information I didn't know (actually, forgot). I guess I am not expressing this very clearly. Case 1. *Every* time emacs pops up something in this manner, the popup has face `tooltip'. Soln 1. Ensure that users know this. It is doubtless in the manual, but might be hard to find if you didn't know it was a tooltip. I agree that I should have known since `tooltip' is hardly a term that emacs invented. Case 2. Popups occur for several reasons, some with different faces than others. Soln 2. Something along the lines I mentioned above that you quoted. That is, if there is a source/cause/trigger of the popup, then face of the popup could be mentioned when one asks for the face of the trigger. The quote of mine you gave was in response to eli's request for a possible UI. allan