From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Allan Gottlieb Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: finding the face of a popup Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87lkbwhur5.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87hcmiiuso.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <9DC6AC66-24D2-4204-AF6F-61920F8D2B4B@Web.DE> <4C3D8D92-80A9-4795-8F46-D08131743B00@Web.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1188422947 613 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2007 21:29:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:29:07 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 29 23:29:06 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IQV5s-0006ea-Ds for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:28:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQV5s-0002Ck-2F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQV5c-0002CO-Ty for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQV5c-0002Bn-6S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQV5b-0002Bk-Ps for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:39 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.nyu.edu ([128.122.140.230]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IQV5b-00031J-H4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ajglap.localdomain (ool-4578d5e5.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.213.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.cs.nyu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l7TLScg2015212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by ajglap.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1502) id 2392819D972; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:28:33 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4C3D8D92-80A9-4795-8F46-D08131743B00@Web.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Wed\, 29 Aug 2007 20\:29\:08 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46953 Archived-At: At Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:29:08 +0200 Peter Dyballa wro= te: > Am 29.08.2007 um 18:30 schrieb Allan Gottlieb: > >> But you knew that the name of the face was tooltip; that is >> exactly the information I didn't know (actually, forgot). > > The term ``tooltip=C2=B4=C2=B4 is in common use and it is not only GNU Em= acs > that uses them. Apple had before Mac OS X the balloon help, M$ is > using screen tips. It is also obvious that a pop-up menu needs an > action to happen before it can pop up, while the tooltip appears when > the cursor comes close to some "magical" area. > > When you don't know what a tooltip is, then a *Help* window with > character properties, including those of the tooltip, won't help you > either. It could give a hint, at least ... > > I haven't read the tutorial for 25 years or so =E2=80=93 could you check = it > and send a bug report (from Help menu), asking for an enhancement to > describe tooltips? The Frames section of the Emacs info node has the > tooltips: I had sent another msg after the one you replied to (our msgs crossed in the mail) so I think we are in agreement. Below is an excerpt from that later msg. allan Case 1. *Every* time emacs pops up something in this manner, the popup has face `tooltip'. Soln 1. Ensure that users know this. It is doubtless in the manual, but might be hard to find if you didn't know it was a tooltip. I agree that I should have known since `tooltip' is hardly a term that emacs invented. Case 2. Popups occur for several reasons, some with different faces than others. Soln 2. Something along the lines I mentioned above that you quoted. That is, if there is a source/cause/trigger of the popup, then face of the popup could be mentioned when one asks for the face of the trigger. The quote of mine you gave was in response to eli's request for a possible UI.