From: Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: sgml-validate
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:29:08 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <yu9lj1kuf5n.fsf@nyu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <i7aai0sr7o.fsf@hilbert.math.albany.edu> (William F. Hammond's message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:39:23 -0500")
On Sat, Feb 12 2011, William F. Hammond wrote:
>>> When I tried M-x sgml-validate, it offers to run
>>> nsgmls -s myfile.html
>>>
>>> I don't have nsgmls so looked around and found
>>> opensp providing onsgmls and a gentoo bug report claimed
>>> a symlink nsgmls --> onsgmls.
>>>
>>> Emerged opensp and now have onsgmls.
>>>
>>> But onsgmls -s myfile.html
>>> just hangs and uses no CPU time.
>>>
>>> onsgmls claims it will validate "the SGML document whose document entity is
>>> specified by the system identifiers SYSID..." so perhaps my error is in
>>> supplying just a file name. What is needed for a valid SYSID?
>
>> AFAIU that's rather an sgml-issue.
>>
>> Seems the command onsgmls fails, which should happen too for the very
>> reasons also from the command line outside Emacs.
>>
>> BTW I use `xmllint' for validation, may be it's ok for your purposes too.
>
> onsgmls is a very reliable tool. In general, however, it requires
> complicated command lines.
Agreed. I have given up since I was not able to figure out how to have
it "not validate" and xmllint has that ability. The validation adds
minutes to the test so needs to be used sparingly.
> AIUI "xmllint" works only on xml files, and, therefore, probably won't
> work with most extant html files, even those self-identified as
> the xml form of html, which commonly are not "well-formed xml".
> (Xml well-formedness is easily and quickly checked using James Clark's
> "xmlwf" that is included with "expat" distributions.)
Thank you very much for this tip. I ran xmlwf and my html passed! This
was made possible in large part by sgml-xml-mode. I believe xmllint
also validates, but xmlwf has the plus of speed and not commenting about
entities (see below).
> If your html is dependably well-formed xml, then take your questions
> to comp.text.xml. Otherwise maybe take them to
> comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html unless you really, really want a
> full understanding of the sgml background for html in which case ask
> in the rather quiet group comp.text.sgml.
Actually I am now doing OK thanks to the help I received here.
The only annoyance is that xmllint keeps telling me that
≥ et al are not valid entities.
> Furthermore, be aware that the proposal for future html5 served as
> "text/html" falls outside of all classical sgml/xml validation
> paradigms.
Thanks for the warning.
allan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-02-13 15:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-02-05 3:48 sgml-validate Allan Gottlieb
2011-02-05 13:02 ` sgml-validate Andreas Röhler
[not found] ` <mailman.6.1296910957.7938.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-13 0:39 ` sgml-validate William F Hammond
2011-02-13 15:29 ` Allan Gottlieb [this message]
[not found] ` <mailman.10.1297610953.15503.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-17 0:56 ` sgml-validate William F Hammond
2011-02-17 4:21 ` sgml-validate Allan Gottlieb
2011-02-20 17:25 ` sgml-validate Yuri Khan
2011-02-22 14:44 ` sgml-validate Allan Gottlieb
2011-02-22 20:03 ` sgml-validate Yuri Khan
2011-02-23 14:34 ` sgml-validate Allan Gottlieb
[not found] ` <mailman.6.1297916501.11971.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-02-19 0:25 ` sgml-validate William F Hammond
2011-02-20 13:19 ` sgml-validate Allan Gottlieb
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