From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:31:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278660712 2815 80.91.229.12 (9 Jul 2010 07:31:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 07:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "fplemma@gmail.com" , "joakim@verona.se" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: "rms@gnu.org" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 09 09:31:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OX83p-0008Cx-9X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:31:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55521 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OX83o-00054k-L1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:31:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41150 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OX83i-00054f-RI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:31:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OX83h-0005t8-Rh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from ebb06.tieto.com ([131.207.168.38]:59732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OX83e-0005sK-Tc; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 03:31:39 -0400 X-AuditID: 83cfa826-b7cd7ae0000009a3-96-4c36d0582bf3 Original-Received: from FIVLA-EXHUB02.eu.tieto.com ( [131.207.136.42]) by ebb06.tieto.com (SMTP Mailer) with SMTP id 5A.21.02467.850D63C4; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:31:36 +0300 (EEST) Original-Received: from uw000509 (10.48.99.3) by inbound.tieto.com (131.207.136.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:31:36 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:05:31 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAARUSH/E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126937 Archived-At: >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Stallman writes: Richard> ... it used tabs a lot for switching between different views. This is probably one (among several) key issue. I use frames quite a lot to separate different contexts (one 'main' frame, one for shell, one news/mail, one for web, etc.) but sometimes it feels a little that I am fighting emacs over this. Without having any firm evidence, I am prepared to believe that it is not immediate obvious to newcomers how to do a multiframe setup (or otherwise separate contexts). One thing I have noted with people using vi/vim is that they tend to have multiple vim instances in different xterms. It is surprisingly (at least to me) hard to teach them to open only one emacs instance and fetch files into that rather than trying to do it the vim way where you start a new emacs for each new file you want to work on. If that is one's mode of operation I have no problem understanding why emacs feels awkward. ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech | christian #\@ defun #\. dk ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)