From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Guile in Emacs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:42:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4B8147A9.7030504@gmail.com> <87wrxrr4md.fsf@gnu.org> <3vsk8ecg6a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <873a0euot4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <873a0cyv3r.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87aauiho3y.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <1271028837.6164.55.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1271102739.6067.38.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <8039yz34ka.fsf@tiny.isode.net> <1271173887.6067.53.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87ljcqqxoc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271234601 25826 80.91.229.12 (14 Apr 2010 08:43:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 14 10:43:14 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O1yBi-000772-FI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:43:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49885 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O1yBi-0006Z2-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:43:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O1yBd-0006Yx-U4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47921 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O1yBb-0006Yp-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O1yBZ-0000xx-Kf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from ebb06.tieto.com ([131.207.168.38]:51496) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O1yBZ-0000xl-EA; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:43:01 -0400 X-AuditID: 83cfa826-b7c95ae000001320-bb-4bc580126b27 Original-Received: from FIHGA-EXHUB01.eu.tieto.com ( [131.207.136.34]) by ebb06.tieto.com (SMTP Mailer) with SMTP id 0F.AE.04896.21085CB4; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:42:59 +0300 (EEST) Original-Received: from uw000509 (10.48.99.3) by inbound.tieto.com (131.207.136.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:42:58 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87ljcqqxoc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:51:31 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.95 (gnu/linux) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123618 Archived-At: >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> Emacs Lisp is streamlined for editing. Common Lisp has its own focus. You could say the same of Scheme. I am also not quite sure I understand how Emacs Lisp as such is streamlined for editing. Sure there are a bunch of libraries, for instance for handling buffers, but I think of that as a library and not really an integral part of the language. Whatever the solution, we will always have an `current-buffer' function. David> For an extension language, it is preferable to have a system where you David> can read through the manual in one day and basically understand it. Well, that is not exactly wrong, but I would maintain that you can write a Common Lisp tutorial that you could read through and understand in a day as easily as you can for Scheme or the current Emacs Lisp. Much of what is in the Common Lisp standard has the character of libraries; you need not understand pathnames or CLOS to get started writing functions. Wrt. libraries you will anyway be in for a lifelong journey, adding a handfull on top of what is already in Emacs will not drastically change that. ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech | christian #\@ defun #\. dk ------------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)