From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:51:06 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87boqi6tzz.fsf@linux-hvfx.site> <87ehve3ul8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lipl22xm.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87boqh20ha.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871urc46c9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <739bsoysp.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87ty47r5yt.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325947896 9001 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2012 14:51:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:51:36 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 15:51:33 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjXcI-0005ty-QF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:51:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51757 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjXcI-00059c-Ek for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:51:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60843) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjXcF-00059C-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:51:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjXcE-0008BQ-Ak for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:51:27 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:48654) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjXcD-0008BM-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:51:26 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjXc8-0005lm-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:51:21 +0100 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:51:20 +0100 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:51:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Sa60RAcHf2AQFjvhRpvb0pYWZTA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147448 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:40:38 +0100 Richard Riley wrote: > > RR> I dont want to bicker and be petty but felt Ted was getting a bit of > RR> a hard time for merely wanting to make things better for the end > RR> user and, more importantly, the new adopter. > > Not at all, everyone in the discussion made good points and helped me Possibly you are more battle hardened in the discussions here ;) There is a clear group specific technique to fall back on : and much of it is word games. Well, thats how I read it .. and invariably its down to the point I noted about fixating on phrases like "emacs component": anyways - nothing more from me on the subject other than to say whatever can be done ot support the inexperienced or new user the better - the more eperienced users can toggle defaults to how they want them.