From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
stefankangas@gmail.com, mattiase@acm.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New "make benchmark" target
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 06:23:22 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <yp1bjwk5gph.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pll2fsj7.fsf@protonmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2025 16:34:24 +0000")
Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com> writes:
> In particular, as you (Andrea) correctly pointed out, it is sometimes
> appropriate to use an average run time (or, non-equivalently, an average
> speed) for reporting test results; the assumptions needed for this are
> very significant and need to be spelled out explicitly. The vast
> majority of "make benchmark" uses which I think should happen cannot
> meet these stringent requirements.
>
> To put things simply, it is better to discard outliers (test runs which
> take significantly longer than the rest). Averaging doesn't do that: it
> simply ruins your entire test run if there is a significant outlier.
> IOW, running the benchmarks with a large repetition count is very likely
> to result in useful data being discarded, and a useless result.
As mentioned, I disagree with having some logic put in place to
arbitrarily decide which value is worth to be considered and which value
should be discarded. If a system is producing noisy measures this has
to be reported as error of the measure. Those numbers are there for
some real reason and have to be accounted.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-06 11:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-11 22:37 Improving EQ Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 6:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12 8:23 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12 8:36 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12 9:35 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-12 10:40 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12 17:46 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12 10:53 ` New "make benchmark" target Stefan Kangas
2024-12-12 10:59 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12 16:53 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-13 0:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-13 7:37 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-14 12:00 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-14 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-14 11:34 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-14 11:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-14 20:07 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-14 20:20 ` João Távora
2024-12-15 0:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-22 16:04 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 10:47 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-30 11:45 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 15:00 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 15:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 15:49 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 15:53 ` João Távora
2024-12-30 16:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 17:25 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 4:00 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 5:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-31 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 14:14 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 12:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 14:34 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-30 18:26 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-30 18:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-30 21:34 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 9:55 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-31 12:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 14:01 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-04 16:34 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-04 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 10:18 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-06 11:23 ` Andrea Corallo [this message]
2025-01-06 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 18:41 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-15 0:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-12 10:42 ` Improving EQ Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-12 10:50 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-12 11:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-13 12:24 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 17:05 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-12 18:10 ` John ff
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