From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan =?utf-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: TAB for non-editing modes Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:11:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190592809 14014 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2007 00:13:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:13:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 24 02:13:25 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IZbZk-0001fQ-Lj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:13:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbZi-0007I4-35 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:13:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbZe-0007Hw-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:13:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbZc-0007Hc-97 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:13:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbZb-0007HZ-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:13:16 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZbZb-0007fp-Gu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:13:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbYj-00016L-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:12:21 +0000 Original-Received: from gamma02.me.chalmers.se ([129.16.50.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:12:21 +0000 Original-Received: from bojohan+news by gamma02.me.chalmers.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:12:21 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: gamma02.me.chalmers.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JLrGSVHwpV01H0SL+iFo5CrkktY= X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79631 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> Doing this with kill commands would take away a feature: you can use >> them in read-only buffers to copy text to the kill ring. That feature >> may not be very useful in read-only buffers, but I am not convinced it >> is an improvement to make it entirely unavailable there. > > Granted. But it could be argued that this "feature" is really a bug that we > exploit (because it seems useful) ;-). Because it is inconsistent with > normal use (killing) of those commands/keys, it promotes user error and > possibly confusion. The user does not even get proper feedback about this > "trick" - s?he still gets the read-only error message/reminder, and there is > no indication that anything was copied. I don't know if this "feature" is > even documented. Of course it is. There even exists an option to remove the read-only error--`kill-read-only-ok'. -- Johan Bockgård