From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20328: outdated CONTRIBUTE info re ChangeLogs Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <91a8ybmdkq.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <552DA224.6020801@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429116799 4361 80.91.229.3 (15 Apr 2015 16:53:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20328@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 18:53:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYm-0003iv-14 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 18:53:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33274 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYl-0001Pa-C2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:53:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37907) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYh-0001PS-BM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYg-000525-47 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:53:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYf-000520-Ta for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYf-0000k4-Ln for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:53:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20328 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20328-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20328.14291167692831 (code B ref 20328); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20328) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2015 16:52:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYS-0000jb-GK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39088 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYQ-0000jT-JJ for 20328@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:52:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQYP-0000ZU-UP; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:52:45 -0400 X-Spook: industrial espionage defense information warfare Sears X-Ran: $a1c+/^Ml"DX"gM (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:26:28 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101564 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Since a commit message contains a summary, maybe a few headers, and a > ChangeLog entry, it's fair to describe what a "ChangeLog entry" should > contain. IMO the file should be rewritten to explain that commit logs are to be written in the style of ChangeLogs. >> In ChangeLog entries, there is no standard or recommended way to >> identify revisions. > > This still applies. Even though it could say "in commit messages", > this also emphasized the fact that the same non-sandardized references > will appear in the ChangeLog file. s/could/should. I guess we are supposed to use those silly "action stamps", but understandably no-one does. I'm sure people are going to keep using hashes in commit logs, which will be meaningless in the generated C'log. >> There is no need to make separate ChangeLog entries for files such >> as NEWS, MAINTAINERS... > > Still true, and I'm not sure how to rephrase this to refer to commit > messages. If they are in a commit all of their own, you can use the "; " prefix to omit that entire commit log entry from the generated C'log. If they are mixed in with other changes, then IIUC there is nothing you can do. I asked for such a feature (to exclude specific lines of a commit log), but I don't think it exists. It would be better if the generate script simply always omitted such files from the C'log, since they are never interesting.