From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Kickstarter for Emacs Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:23:16 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Message-ID: References: <87wr5dfm9v.fsf@gnu.org> <87398118ys.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <87liltyv1e.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335170559 15158 80.91.229.3 (23 Apr 2012 08:42:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:42:39 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 23 10:42:38 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SMEqz-00051S-BB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:42:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59659 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMEqy-0001hA-OV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:42:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35863) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMEqq-0001gj-Ux for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:42:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMEqk-0003ml-ST for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:42:28 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SMEqk-0003mT-Lu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:42:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SMEqg-0004rU-Lj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:42:18 +0200 Original-Received: from 62.113.137.5 ([62.113.137.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:42:18 +0200 Original-Received: from sb by 62.113.137.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:42:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.113.137.5 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:VqIgnxWtm0geIPBsBK++CK1UO4c= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149949 Archived-At: >>>>> Tassilo Horn : > Not sure. Just having Eclipse installed doesn't bother me too much. > Having it running and consuming memory/CPU doesn't bother me, too. What > really bothers me is that even when using Eclipse with its Emacs > keybinding scheme enabled, it's still hard to use. After a quick try, I decided to skip the emacs keybindings. It masked Ctrl-SPC, which is possibly the most important keybinding in eclipse (and I didn't stay with the emacs keybinding long enough to find out what, if anything the content assist command was bound to). Also, in my experience it's always easier to go with the default keybindings for all programs. They it's easier to ask for assistance, or google up information. > I want my kill-ring, I want keyboard macros, I want my isearch, etc... So did I. So what I ended up doing, was to use emacsclient as an editor in eclipse, and when I wanted to do editing in emacs (typically advanced search and replace, or use keyboard macros for complex repetitive tasks) then I used emacsclient to get the file into emacs for editing. I did most of my version control work in emacs.