From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improving communication between GNU Emacs and XEmacs Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:59:47 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200204111452.g3BEqxb21309@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204121949.g3CJnsJ22647@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1018710029 6966 127.0.0.1 (13 Apr 2002 15:00:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16wP0v-0001oF-00 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:00:29 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16wPHi-0000Ng-00 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:17:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16wP0b-0000U8-00; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:00:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mx2.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.9]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16wP0J-0000RH-00; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:59:51 -0400 Original-Received: from sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (sams [134.2.12.50]) by mx2.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6844E1060; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:59:48 +0200 (MST) Original-Received: (from sperber@localhost) by sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3DExmX42534; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:59:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sperber) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200204121949.g3CJnsJ22647@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:49:54 -0600 (MDT)") Original-Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.5 (beets, i386-unknown-freebsd4.5) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2607 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2607 >>>>> "RMS" == Richard Stallman writes: RMS> This is an unsubstantiated claim, and it doesn't get better with RMS> repetition---many XEmacs maintainers have signed papers (including RMS> myself), and if you have questions about authorship, you need only RMS> ask. RMS> You proposed cooperation, so I thought we were having a civil RMS> conversation, not an argument where people say "I dare you to prove RMS> that!" I'm sorry if it sounded that way, it is not what I intended. I was suggesting that you identify pieces of code (like you did with the startup-paths code) that would be good starting points for shared development and ask the authorship question. It is very possible we won't be able to track it all down to the point of making you comfortable, or that not all the authors have signed papers. On the other hand, it is also possible that authorship can be identified, and that papers exist or can be obtained. It may also be possible in some instances to replace code with unclear authorship or lack of papers by code with clear authorship and papers. I'll try to help with this. RMS> I wish it were true that we could simply ask someone, but XEmacs RMS> has a history of ten years, during which many different people RMS> maintained it, and for much of that time without keeping records. Yes, but for much of that time (when Steve Baur took over, and I suspect even before that), we have kept records. I can say for myself that I'll try my best to help. -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla