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From: Yann Hodique <yann.hodique@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:42:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <y9gliof9u611.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m27fvq0wbt.fsf@gmail.com

>>>>> "Helmut" == Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com> writes:

>> Tell them to dissolve their own community and
>> commit ritual suicide?

> Changing the license would hardly be suicide.  Apple could still be the
> main contributor and they managed to survive even when they had to use
> GCC.  It would piss off NVIDIA but it might attract some other
> individuals who don't like the idea that NVIDIA profits from their
> contributions.  Either way, you don't make those decisions.

I find that claim (that a license change would annoy the NVIDIAs of the
world) very odd.

After all, the core of the entire issue, and this whole discussion, is
that the FSF did object to *technical possibilities* in order to counter
those same people, effectively deeming the GPL alone insufficient to
reach that goal. So now we cannot possibly be suggesting that slapping
a GPL sticker on LLVM could solve the "issue", can we?

I mean, one (at least...) of the following has to be true:
- the modularity of LLVM (GPL or not) allows access to the internals of
  a compilation phase in a textual form, making it easy for people to
  pipe a non-free component where they fancy
- the GPL is enough to push non-free components away (or is the best we
  can do anyway), and we've been wasting time and opportunities
  protecting something that doesn't exist

Bottom line, we cannot say that a GPL compiler (GCC) made modular would
have been a problem, but that a modular compiler (LLVM) made GPL would
be a solution. In the end, they'd be both modular and GPL, right?

Thanks,

Yann.

-- 
Speak the truth.  That is always much easier,
and is often the most powerful argument.

  -- Bene Gesserit Axiom




  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-10 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-05  7:46 Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Andrew L. Moore
2015-02-05  8:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-05 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-06 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 12:49   ` David Kastrup
2015-02-06 18:21     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:00       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07  8:46         ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 10:18           ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07 11:42             ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 11:53               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09  0:06             ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09  3:27               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-15 22:50                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-16  5:19                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-16 16:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 11:21               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 14:21                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-09 22:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:59                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10  2:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-10  3:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10  8:59                         ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:00                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 16:41                             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:58                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11  3:43                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11  3:47                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 10:37                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 10:51                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 13:22                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 16:07                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 16:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 17:42                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-12 20:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 23:12                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 15:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:41                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12  4:20                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 11:23                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 13:13                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 15:52                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11  4:26                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11  7:44                                 ` Nicholas Allegra
2015-02-11 15:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 16:21                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 16:27                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 16:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12  5:41                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 16:33                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 18:29                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 17:34                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 17:03                         ` David Engster
2015-02-10 17:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 17:36                             ` David Engster
2015-02-10 19:15                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:25                                 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 22:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:35                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:12                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 18:07                             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 19:21                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:08                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-09 22:08                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:00               ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-07 14:46           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:40         ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 23:04           ` David Kastrup
2015-02-08  0:15           ` Eric S. Raymond
2015-02-08  0:51             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 20:04             ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-10 22:49               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 16:17                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-11 23:13                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:37                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-12 11:22                       ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 14:45                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 17:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-13 10:11                       ` Tom
2015-02-13 10:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-13 10:27                           ` Tom
2015-02-13 11:00                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-14 15:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 11:08                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-14 15:22                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:13                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 10:28                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-13  9:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:13             ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-10 22:49               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-08  3:55           ` Liang Wang
2015-02-08  9:30             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09  0:04             ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09  8:47               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 22:07                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:03                   ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:09                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:15               ` Robin Templeton
2015-02-09 20:13                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-09 22:08                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10  8:24                   ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10  9:31                     ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 10:44                       ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 10:53                         ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 12:45                           ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 13:35                             ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 15:42                             ` Yann Hodique [this message]
2015-02-10 16:11                               ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:20                           ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 15:16                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:13                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:06               ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-09 20:34                 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:46                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:21       ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07  5:50       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-06 14:57   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 12:44     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 14:48       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:41         ` Richard Stallman

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