From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Bringing GNU Emacs to Native Code" at the European Lisp Symposium Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:55:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <69d8b48d-bd09-41c1-a89d-ed76fe0284a4@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="76032"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 29 12:56:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTkNt-000Jho-Jc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:56:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54410 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTkNs-0000dW-Mp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43884) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTkNO-0000Bp-Rf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:55:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTkNN-0001px-Ld for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.20]:64769) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTkNN-0001pf-3Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:55:37 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 03TAtYtI015474 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:55:34 GMT Original-Received: (from akrl@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 03TAtY4Y023252; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:55:34 GMT In-Reply-To: <69d8b48d-bd09-41c1-a89d-ed76fe0284a4@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:00:37 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.20; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/29 06:55:35 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Received-From: 205.166.94.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248115 Archived-At: Hi Drew, Drew Adams writes: > 1. It's a good paper, and the work sounds great. Thanks that's appreciated > 2. FWIW, I don't agree with this prognostication > or point of view, from the paper, starting after > "since": > > "The proposed compiler focuses on generating > code for the new lexically scoped dialect only, > since the dynamic one is considered obsolete > and close to deprecation." > > Dunno who, besides perhaps Stefan, considers > dynamic binding in Elisp to be "obsolete and > close to deprecation". That would be a mistake. > > IMO, Emacs Lisp should, like Common Lisp and for > even stronger reasons, continue to make use of > both dynamic and lexical binding. Each has its > uses in Elisp. > As the reference in the previous phrase explains this is just about what we control in Emacs with the `lexical-binding' variable. Apologies if you think this could have been phrased better, I hope the misunderstanding is clarified. Regards Andrea -- akrl@sdf.org