From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Andrea Corallo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 21:46:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <97DA7804-F647-4A1D-B8E0-AFFE7A324C64@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="8683"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Yuan Fu , Emacs developers , ndame To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 23 23:51:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRjke-00028y-ML for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:51:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42672 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRjkd-0002FI-Mr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:51:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRjjw-0001YA-4z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:50:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRjjv-0002E1-73 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:50:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.20]:62382) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRjju-0002A0-8l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:50:34 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 03NLkbKv013617 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 23 Apr 2020 21:46:37 GMT Original-Received: (from akrl@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 03NLkajc018675; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 21:46:36 GMT In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 23 Apr 2020 16:02:59 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.20; envelope-from=akrl@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/23 17:46:38 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Received-From: 205.166.94.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247636 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > That's right. There is a practical problem, OTOH, which is that > write/push access to a GNU ELPA package currently means write access to > all GNU ELPA packages as well as to Emacs's repository. > > For this reason, while some GNU ELPA package maintainers can "just push" > as they see fit, as it should be, others haven't yet been granted this > right. This is a problem which we should solve, indeed, for the benefit > of those less-lucky package maintainers, as well as for the benefit of > those Emacs maintainers who have to play the middle men, and more > generally for the benefit of the GNU ELPA archive and hence Emacs users > since the current situation tends to discourage submissions. > > Note that giving write access widely, as we do now, has advantages as > well, in that it encourages package maintainers to participate in > development of Emacs more generally. To me the fact that a number of package maintainers is without write access sounds quite odd. If they are trusted to maintain a package they are supposed to have also the skills to push correctly a git commit. Looking at other Free Software projects I'm involved I can testify that trust pays off and I think they should get write access. My 2 cents. Andrea -- akrl@sdf.org